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[Disco Shrew]

Fuck Obama

[HenryHill]

Getting a job is like winning the lottery, this is a fucking bad situation. Rather than acting like ego centric, all clever internet losers, you could have a decent discussion rather than posting stupid one liners and "that's the economic climate DEAL WITH IT" faggotry.

You've all basically said "that's how things are" and seem to be pretty pleased with yourselves for having this realization. Pat yourselves on the backs.

No one wants to discuss the things you bring up because there isn't anything to discuss, unless you want to propose a way for things to change impossibly and inefficiently so that you can get a job.

[UnbiasedLover]

Production should return, or new production of some sort must replace it, etc..

Lots to be talked about.

And here's where some idiot shows up and says "US has plenty of industry!" and i respond with fuck, entire cities and millions of people have fallen off cliffs because the jobs leave, yet nothing is there to replace it.

Unless the president takes some of his fucking retardingly inflated bailouts and spend it on giving millions of layed off workers completely free university courses in advanced fusion or useful engineering, etc.. I'd say we have millions of people trapped and hopeless, and a fucking useless piece of shit of a president doing absolutely fucking zilch.

Move on from hard industrial labor into a more advanced society. Sounds good, but the people need to be taught how to do this more advanced work. They can't just outsource millions of jobs and expect society to just adapt when millions of unskilled & poor people suddenly have no jobs.

I honest to god want the president to do something. Pass a bill that devotes 2 Trillion dollars to giving free, relevant university degrees to everyone unemployed. That's a radical solution. But because our piece of shit president and the absolute scumbag before him can apparently print money out of nothing, I'd say they should just fucking DO IT. If they care, they would do it. Take half the money currently being spend on welfare and tanks, and spend it on educating all these uneducated people with useful knowledge.

The elite at the top are either fucking morons or genuinely evil. Other countries seem to be doing similar things, but in America nothing is being done.

[HenryHill]

The president doesn't have the power to do what you just asked of him. You're asking for the entire political climate of the motherfucking congress to change because you have a delusion that you're incredibly clever and that socialism would instantly work no matter what other factors exist in the United States. Are you wrong that it would help the poor? No, you aren't. But discussing an outcome that, as of the next 50 years at least, is impossible to exist (socialism wouldn't fly here, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, it just fucking wouldn't) is pointless. Obama can't pass a bill that gives 2 trillion dollars of free, relevant university degrees, you fucking child. That's not how things work, and the people who have pointed that out to you aren't arrogant, they have common sense and a basic understanding of government.

[UnbiasedLover]

Do you realize how much they've spent on useless fucking bullshit?
Since they can apparently just print money up and hand it out in the billions, how about they fucking help the millions of unskilled, uneducated people? Do something that could actually benefit this country for once.

Socialism would be if every job were a government controlled job. Educating people isn't socialism. Welfare and endless bailouts more relates to socialism than fucking teaching unskilled people how to do the only remaining jobs

example

[Jardel]

Welfare and bailouts do not relate to socialism.

Bailouts allow private enterprise to continue and encourage the capitalist system, effectively combating socialism.

There is nothing in socialism that makes welfare mandatory, you can have socialist systems where if you don't work you don't fucking eat. Meanwhile icons of capitalism such as Andrew Carnegie and Warren Buffet have given away millions to what is essentially privately funded welfare.

A socialist approach would have been to nationalise all the companies that needed bailouts, making them into government departments.

As for helping unskilled and uneducated people, I have a question for you:

* How many books (useful books) have you read in the past month?
* How many skills are you working on cultivating?
* How many potential career paths have you mapped out for yourself?

[UnbiasedLover]

Bailouts allow private enterprise to continue and encourage the capitalist system, effectively combating socialism.

No that's not how it works. They've propped up failing business models. Failing business's are supposed to die off, with better business's replacing them. Like natural selection.

* How many books (useful books) have you read in the past month?
* How many skills are you working on cultivating?
* How many potential career paths have you mapped out for yourself?

2
several essentials
2, or 3 but one more vaguely

Also, paying for rent and food. How does that work? I've said a few times people need stepping stones, and unskilled jobs easily available. 3 dollars an hour fine, because we have to compete with 3rd world slaves now... And don't fucking mention "you wanting it doesn't make capitalism bow to your will" or some other smarmy comment - the moment you said government bailouts of massive failing corporations encouraged capitalism, it became clear you didn't understand the fundamentals.

Now business's just need to be in bed with Congress in order to receive billions of taxpayer dollars, no matter how many risks or how mismanaged they are- they'll be saved.

[Jardel]

No that's not how it works. They've propped up failing business models. Failing business's are supposed to die off, with better business's replacing them. Like natural selection.

That would be why part of the bail outs is they're working on structuring so that no one business becomes so vital to the stability of the economy ever again.

* How many books (useful books) have you read in the past month?
* How many skills are you working on cultivating?
* How many potential career paths have you mapped out for yourself?

2
several essentials
2, or 3 but one more vaguely

Why only two books? Library cards (last I heard) were free, and if you don't have a job you plenty of time you can commit towards improving your knowledge base and skill set. If you're only reading two books a month then you're not educating yourself, there's no reason to believe you'd do better if someone was picking the books for you.

"Several essentials" is too vague to comment on, but the point of the questions is to make you question what you could be doing to improve your situation.

Also, paying for rent and food. How does that work? I've said a few times people need stepping stones, and unskilled jobs easily available. 3 dollars an hour fine, because we have to compete with 3rd world slaves now... And don't fucking mention "you wanting it doesn't make capitalism bow to your will" or some other smarmy comment - the moment you said government bailouts of massive failing corporations encouraged capitalism, it became clear you didn't understand the fundamentals.

Actually no, what is clear is that I do understand capitalism and you don't. Governments invested money in bailouts to maintain economic and market stability. That is an investment of capital for the benefit of the nation.

If you are only earning three dollars an hour, then you are clearly not very valuable to the marketplace as you do not warrant a four dollar an hour investment in capital. If you want to warrant a bigger investment in capital then you need to work on building up your personal value. If you enter the workforce with more skills and knowledge than a third world slave (as you should, having access to public education, libraries and the Internet) then you should immediately be able to command higher prices than them. If you haven't, for whatever reason, then you need to raise your value.

There are numerous ways you can do this. You can work on having a better attitude (so you're a pleasure to work with), building your fitness (so that you can work harder for longer), on having more useful skills (so you can do more), improving your existing skills (so you can do what you do better) and your knowledge base. In this case the capital you are investing (in yourself) is time and effort. Under a capitalist ideal your earnings should be proportional to the value of investment in yourself.

Now business's just need to be in bed with Congress in order to receive billions of taxpayer dollars, no matter how many risks or how mismanaged they are- they'll be saved.

Not really, in order to be eligible for a government bail out you have to have built your business up to a point where it's collapse would have an adverse effect on the marketplace. You can't do that if you are poorly managed or prone to taking stupid risks from day one and bail outs subject your company to heavy scrutiny and have been leading to new legislations to refine the marketplace.

Government interference in the marketplace occurs in any society where you have both government and a marketplace! All through history governments have propped up bad businesses if they needed their services to continue effectively. The only way people can succeed (in any political environment) is through working on themselves, having a plan and making themselves valuable to the marketplace/nation/etc.

If your success depends on a government run by fallible politicians (as it has been since governments first existed) changing laws to suit you then I don't like your chances.
If your success depends on the economy shifting into a matter that benefits you but someone excludes your competitors then I don't like your chances.
If your success depends on the someone doing the work of educating you and building up your market value for you then I don't like your chances.
If your success depends on the world shifting to a paradigm where those with money and power no longer have more influence individually than those who are poor then I don't like your chances.

This is what the third world immigrants understand that you do not, that their success or failure in life is completely dependent upon themselves. Hence why they will travel the world to work like slaves while still being in the lowest tax brackets if it means they will be guaranteed food, shelter and a better future for their family.

[UnbiasedLover]

Fine fine fine. It's obvious you views are hardwired and set in stone. American government can do no wrong, American populace can do no right.

I'll do more reading relevant to my field of interest, there's more than one. There's some great libraries here. FINE you win again. It doesn't change the unemployment, but I'll spread the wisdom: be self taught and skilled. Sounds reasonable.

Despite not seeing eye to eye, my respect for Jardel continues to grow.

[Jardel]

Every government does shitloads wrong and every populace is full of wankers. Welcome to human condition.

A side effect of all the benefits of first world nations is that the populace becomes complacent and starts to want more and more done for them. Australia is certainly no better than America in this regard. My office has several workers from poor African nations and they are completely baffled by how we can have a nation where the poor sit and do nothing all day, where they are from the poor work frantically at anything they can so that they can eat for one more day.

Regarding the subways, there should be person at the city hall that you can write to to request they do something about it.

If you're really keen you can look up what they require for a valid petition, invest in a clipboard, some photocopies of a petition sheet and ask people coming and going from the subway system if they'll sign your petition to improve the subway.

If you get a ton of signatures and the city still isn't doing anything to fix it, then might want to try contacting your local media (news television/radio) and advise them you've brought the city hall a petition with x number of signatures, can show them the state of the subway and that there has still not been any commitment by the city hall to fix it.

This last step becomes more likely to be effective if there is an election coming up and the current administration made some sort of promise to improve things in order to get elected. You may have to research that yourself though rather than leave it up to the reporter.

[UnbiasedLover]

Whoops, accidentally deleted the subway portion.

The gist: nyc subway stations are unreasonably hot and poorly maintained. foreigner hits the nail on the head

Train cars ARE air conditioned, but their signage is inconsistent. Some have very useful real time electronic displays, current stop, all future stops, and all transfers + clear and helpful loudspeaker.
While other trains have no interior displays to help, and really terrible loudspeaker quality.

5 to 7 million commuters ride everyday with the metrocard charge being an average of 2 dollars. SO they rake in like 10 million dollars a day. The daily expenses to run must be massive, but their finance information should perhaps be available to the public

Appreciate the ideas man. Valid petition, city hall letter, media, etc...

[Agent 17]

Not really sure what you're talking about but any government entity in the United States has to disclose finance information (or lots of other things) to the public via the Freedom of Information Act. If you send them a FOIA request you can get certainly more than you'd ever want to know about their revenue and operating expenses. It won't be in layman's terms and probably not easy to read, though, and you might have to pay a per-page fee or something for it.

--Agent 17

[IMostlyDoMurder]

The Americans should never be underestimated. They can turn their economy around within 3 months if needs be. Maybe faster.

[UnbiasedLover]

If needs be?
Tens of millions are unemployed, with a large chunk of them having been layed off. And now these people are clogging up the entry level unskilled work, so essential for young people getting their foot in the door.

It's about time for this magical turn around. Care to elaborate?

[Fallout]

The gist: nyc subway stations are unreasonably hot and poorly maintained. foreigner hits the nail on the head

Train cars ARE air conditioned, but their signage is inconsistent. Some have very useful real time electronic displays, current stop, all future stops, and all transfers + clear and helpful loudspeaker.
While other trains have no interior displays to help, and really terrible loudspeaker quality.

5 to 7 million commuters ride everyday with the metrocard charge being an average of 2 dollars. SO they rake in like 10 million dollars a day. The daily expenses to run must be massive, but their finance information should perhaps be available to the public smile.gif

Freedom of Information? Also all this is really evidence of is perhaps the city of New York feels that money could be better spent elsewhere.

[UnbiasedLover]

MTA is separate than NYC. The fares of 5-7 million daily commuters is the funding, not tax revenue.

And if they overlap, NYC would rather spend a billion for a baseball stadium, rather than make daily commute conditions for 2/3 of the population more tolerable. So they have really bad priorities.