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[User123]

Those of you that watch MMA fighting, UFC in particular, will be aware of a 300lb apocalyptic brute who's parents named him Brock Lesnar, and the undeniable frenzy he has caused in the community.
Brock Lesnar is a near world-class wrestler from the US who, after leaving the WWE and NFL to pursue a career in mixed martial arts, is currently the UFC undisputed heavyweight champion. Despite all his glory, fans of the sport still dislike him.
This in itself confuses me. I was a big WWE fan until about 2001 when I grew hair on my testicles and realised there was more to life than watching grown men rub each other in little more than speedos and wellies. In this respect I was keen to watch Lesnar compete in MMA since I heard about his upcoming fight against Min Soo Kim in 2007, as I had been an avid fan of his brute-strength-style domination of the WWE back in the day. I can appreciate not everyone was a fan of said wrestling organisation, but come on, cut the guy some slack, everyone deserves a second chance, right?

So Lesnar wins in traditionally dominant style against Kim, forcing him to tap out to Lesnar's raining punches in and around his face from an unshakeable top position. Lesnar then gets signed to the UFC at a time where talent in the heavyweight division is near dry. Randy Couture, the current Heavyweight champion had been caught up with contract issues with the UFC and no more than a handful of fighters kept pay-per-views buzzing. Lesnar's first fight was against Frank Mir, a former champ looking to redeem himself after a sequence of lack-luster fights including an embarrassing loss to Brandon Vera. I can't stand Brandon Vera.
The fight ends in an interesting fashion. Lesnar's top-notch wrestling skills and a fierce ground-and-pound matched only by his strength and agility had Frank Mir staring into the jaws of defeat until Lesnar eventually made a school-boy error, resulting in him being caught in a knee-lock and being forced to tap out. A humbling experience for a man who some have described as 'never being an under dog in their life.'
Lesnar goes on to win a decision against Heath Herring, knocking out Randy Couture and coming close to murdering Frank Mir in a re-match in July. Lesnar is scheduled to fight Shane Carwin, a similarly qualified wrestler and equally strong bloke with a tendancy to win every match via ownage.

These are the comments I've heard from other fans that puzzle me:

"Lesnar doesn't belong in the UFC, he should go back to the WWE where he spent six years, that's where he belongs." Randy Couture spent six years in the US Army, should he go back, too? Lesnar has proven himself time and time again to be a dominant force in the heavyweight division, he beat Frank Mir and Randy Couture fair and square, what more does he need to do to prove himself?

"Lesnar's too heavy, he just squashes people and that's how he wins fights." The cap on the heavyweight division is 265lb and has been for nearly ten years, as far as I'm aware. Lesnar cuts down to 265 from around 300lb to meet that cap, as does Shane Carwin, Tim Sylvia and Gabriel Gonzaga, the UFC didn't suddenly raise the bar to accomodate Lesnar's massive frame, he's playing by rules that were laid out when he got there. As for squashing people, if it's such a simple problem why are all these great fighters being thrown around like rag dolls instead of preventing themselves from getting in that position? I've got an idea as to why, which might have something to do with Lesnar's superior wrestling knowledge and unparalleled strength that gets them there and a relentless ground-and-pound to finish the fight. He is, as MMA guru Pat Milletich has said "a 265lb Matt Hughes."

"Lesnar's a dick, look at his rant after he won at UFC 100." I don't care. Nor do I blame him. Lesnar's training videos show him doing nothing short of working his arse off trying to be the best MMA fighter he can be, he then goes out and completely rapes Frank Mir, who, at the weigh-ins, looked in the best shape he's ever been in his career, only to receive a chorus of boos. I would've gone fucking ape-shit as well, all that work to finally justify his place in the sport and he gets a slagging off because he out-wrestled a guy who's been gobbing off? What makes it even worse, is that Lesnar extended every courtesy to Mir before the fight, praising him for training hard, being a better fighter on the night at their first encounter and everything else, while Mir's face keeps popping up all over the internet calling Lesnar a muscular guy with no talent. This irritates me most of all. Lesnar will go back to wherever he lives in the woods, we won't hear from him until he's ready to kill someone else, no slagging off, nothing. The way it should be. He even appeared at ringside to support his former adversary, Randy Couture, now that's pure class.

Brock Lesnar is, currently, my favourite MMA fighter. If there's anyone who agrees or disagrees with me, I'd like to know why.

[Choked]

Nobody cares.
If someone here had done something to spur such a defense then it may be founded. But just presenting an argument without cause to do so shows that you're also quite insecure in you're own views.

Edited by Choked, 23 September 2009 - 02:49 PM.

[StEx II]

Dux wants Lesnar's big manly hands to comfort him at night.

[Garrett]

Welcome to carebearforum.com, DuxDouche. Enjoy your stay here.

And get lost while you're at it.

[Armitage]

Lesnar generally just comes across as a cunt. He just doesn't really have any likeable qualities. He's a good fighter, but he lacks charisma and I just have no real reason to like him.

George St Pierre ftw.

You're kinda having an argument with yourself here though blud.

[Bombur]

Oh i remember that guy. I always thought he looked batshit retarded.

[Sketch]

Say that to his face?

[Charm & Strange]

You argued against yourself and lost Dux, how does that feel?

[Bombur]

Say that to his face?

Hahahah

He probably ain't as strong as he looks. I'd kick his ass.

[The Lawyer]

I hate that this fucker shares my name.

But he seems to have drifted out of public thought or attention. I think. Was he ever in it? I don't know anybody that watches WWE or WWF or whatever the hell it's called now.



I didn't even read the first post.

I'm a bastard.

I'm sorry.

Edited by The_Lawyer, 23 September 2009 - 08:09 PM.

[Gopherbassist]

I remember seeing a picture of him around the time he won the championship. Way leaner than he used to be, super cut to the point he didn't look normal. Other than that, I don't really know anything about him.

[Burial Agent]

[User123]

^ Elloell.

I'm hoping for a five round war between Lesnar and Carwin, with Lesnar winning at the end. I'd be interested to see what the MMA community have to say about him if he beats Carwin, who can't surely be smashed so easy.

[st pauli]

fedor would destroy him

[Choked]

google

[Bosola]

what is this i dont even...

[Choked]

Typing "google" isn't really on topic, so your point isn't relevant.

[Armitage]

It's on ESPN, Zoo.

[Tearacall]

That Satanta thing plays them aswell.

Sometimes Bravo but not often, and only the reality show thing.

[Cerb]

I can't really care less who hates Lesnar. He's a good fighter, and that's all that should matter in the octagon. Anyone who hates him because of his attitude and berates him as a fighter because of it can go eat a spermatic cord or twenty.

Edited by Black Cerberus, 24 September 2009 - 07:44 PM.