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[Tikrong]

Hey, you're the one that wants people to get raped due to childish mistakes or murdered because they're inconveniencing the profits of a criminal (which means people who selflessly take on jobs such as being police officers will suffer). You are opposed to progress because it doesn't come with the signed approval of a God who has not been seen for two thousand years and you call people crazy or evil if they think differently.

Who's the one with the ego out of control here?

We didn't speak about God. I've just noticed that there are many useful things written in The Bible.

Clever but naive. He was also a one note show with no exploration outside his own idea of socialist economy.

Do you know that socialist economy was successful? For example USSR used this economy and became one of the greatest country with briliant scientists, musicians, artists, workers etc. Only USSR with their socialist economy was able to destroy Nazi German. So don't tell me about it.

Read The Holy Bible too. Amongst other things it endorses smoking weed (as hemp is a seed bearing plant), so it's not really a good basis for opposing drug use.

If you read all the book, not only excerpts from it you wold think other way. Could you give me a quote from the Bible where smoking (drug use)
is encouraged.

I want to make the world safer for people who engage in an activity that I do not enjoy,

I doubt You make world safer by allowing the drugs. Drugs will become so available as cigarets now, and as they bring more harm they will be dangerous for people.
Drugs are known to be, like alcohol, a cause of child-freaks... Drugs influence on people in a bad way. They are dangerous not only for you, but for the future generations.

[Charm & Strange]

Tikrong: Why is it that a society so utterly sure of it's convictions concerning drugs and their dangers, still relies of sensationalism, disinformation and distortion of the truth to justify it's beliefs?

[Tikrong]

Tikrong: Why is it that a society so utterly sure of it's convictions concerning drugs and their dangers, still relies of sensationalism, disinformation and distortion of the truth to justify it's beliefs?

Do you think that scientists understood the harm of drugs relied on sensationalism? I thought that Shulgin wrote his book based on his own feelings. But the harm of drugs was proved by researches, by studies, by statistics... all it's based on rationalism

[JaRDoS]

We didn't speak about God. I've just noticed that there are many useful things written in The Bible.

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WHOSE LIFE IS MY OWN?

Maybe god's?

God came first in this discussion. Also, in regards to many useful things in the Bible, does this mean you endorse slavery? The Bible does, it even has rules for it.

Also the Bible says God is the greatest mass murderer in history. Greater even than Stalin. Is that why you worship him?

Do you know that socialist economy was successful? For example USSR used this economy and became one of the greatest country with briliant scientists, musicians, artists, workers etc. Only USSR with their socialist economy was able to destroy Nazi German. So don't tell me about it.

Actually the Socialist economy meant that the USSR was so impoverished by the time they joined World War II that they couldn't even afford to arm half their troops, hence the "First soldier gets the rifle, second soldier gets the bullets" policy. The main reason they made a significant contribution was because their massive population allowed for your Comrade Stalin to implement his "Not one step back!" policy where troops were shot at the slightest sign of retreat and would have to climb over the piles of corpses to reach the enemy.

People who care for their fellow man considered this an atrocity, not an accomplishment.

The economy had nothing to do with brilliant people being born there. You have a big enough population and the law of averages says you're going to have some talented people turn up. Social economy did mean that many of those talented people lived in relative poverty and that many of the less talented people sometimes went for weeks or months without pay.

People who care for their fellow man considered this an atrocity, not an accomplishment.

Hence when the Berlin wall came down there was a flood of sex tourism to the East Germany, where there were girls who would have unprotected sex in public places for what would buy one or two meals because it was something they were used to doing in order to ensure they got to eat and survive.

People who care for their fellow man considered this an atrocity, not an accomplishment.

Hence why the mighty USSR fell, or are you not aware of that happening yet?

Read The Holy Bible too. Amongst other things it endorses smoking weed (as hemp is a seed bearing plant), so it's not really a good basis for opposing drug use.

If you read all the book, not only excerpts from it you wold think other way. Could you give me a quote from the Bible where smoking (drug use)
is encouraged.

Don't you know your Bible? Sheesh.

Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

Consuming marijuana hemp as food means you take in a far greater amount of THC, and it's seeds can be used as a food product. It's fibres can also be used to weave cloth, rope and make high quality paper. Clearly this is one of the most useful plants available so if there is God then he wanted us to have it and consume it.

So God wants people to have THC. Who are you to argue with him?

I doubt You make world safer by allowing the drugs. Drugs will become so available as cigarets now, and as they bring more harm they will be dangerous for people.
Drugs are known to be, like alcohol, a cause of child-freaks... Drugs influence on people in a bad way. They are dangerous not only for you, but for the future generations.

People have been doing drugs since before Christ, they continue to do them through the harshest prohibitions (actual prohibition, not fake Russian prohibition) and these prohibitions allow the worst members of the society to profit. Given the choice you would rather my daughter be raped and left for dead than taken to a hospital to learn from her mistake.

Which means you believe a huge percentage of the population deserves a horrible death because their upbringing did not make them deathly afraid of anything they are advised in a drug.

Do you think that scientists understood the harm of drugs relied on sensationalism? I thought that Shulgin wrote his book based on his own feelings. But the harm of drugs was proved by researches, by studies, by statistics... all it's based on rationalism

Absolutely they did. There is historical proof that during the time they were moved into a prohibited status the effects of marijuana, cocaine, LSD, heroin and other drugs were all sensationalised when they were not simply fabricated. One of the biggest supporters of prohibiting marijuana was a newspaper tycoon who didn't want hemp paper to render his massive investments in paper forests worthless. Other big supporters included people who wanted to oppress Mexicans (who had been using the drug without incident since the Aztecs).

Again, you're showing you have neither read nor understand Shulgin's work. Shulgin wrote the book due to his belief that knowledge is inherently sacred and this extends to knowledge of all things (including drugs). He believed that many drugs which were prohibited had valid medical and psychological value to humanity if handled correctly.

Doctors agree with him, the drug Phentermine is a prescription drug used as a weight loss drug for people who's long and short term health depends on them shedding weight. It is in the phenethylamine family, the class of drugs that Shulgin was researched in his book.

So again, you tell us you know better than doctors, researchers, psychologists, historians, sociologists and everyone else because anyone who disagrees with you is crazy or evil.

And you call ME selfish and an egoist?

[Bosola]

Quick aside: Heroin is a synthesized painkiller, often used in hospitals today. It has a faster uptake than morphine, which makes it swifter, albeit more addictive. This speed in turn makes it *harder* for a professional to OD his patient when using it, because there's no window where the right amount of morphine has been taken, but the effects simply aren't yet manifest.

[Tikrong]

Also the Bible says God is the greatest mass murderer in history. Greater even than Stalin. Is that why you worship him?

He killed people which didn't deserve to live.

Actually the Socialist economy meant that the USSR was so impoverished by the time they joined World War II that they couldn't even afford to arm half their troops, hence the "First soldier gets the rifle, second soldier gets the bullets" policy. The main reason they made a significant contribution was because their massive population allowed for your Comrade Stalin to implement his "Not one step back!" policy where troops were shot at the slightest sign of retreat and would have to climb over the piles of corpses to reach the enemy...

Yes? USSR was poor country? But Nazi Germany would have destroyed all Europe if there hadn't been USSR with their poor economy. USSR with their "poor" economy after war doubled manufacturing... Prior to its dissolution, the USSR had the second largest economy in the world, after the United States.(its CIA information...)
Berlin.. It was another country. and called GDR .

So God wants people to have THC. Who are you to argue with him?

You distorted the word, even not you, but there he told about fruits... Not about cocain...

Doctors agree with him

I didn't say anything about drugs and ill people. Some drugs were created as medicine, but people's idle mind desided to use them for new experience. They didn't think about consequenses.

God came first in this discussion. Also, in regards to many useful things in the Bible, does this mean you endorse slavery? The Bible does, it even has rules for it.

You are a slave now. really. You think that you are free, you are enjoying to believe it. But if you look around soberly you will understand that your life isn't your own. Your patterns of behavior, manners, style were given you by different things. You read Shungin's book and tought it's the only one source of wisdom concerning drugs. You even don't want to know about changing wich drugs bring, you don't want to know about diseases whish they bring.
So live, and think that you are free. Allow everything, it's not my business. Who are you that I'm wasting my time on you to explain you simple things?
So enjoy you life in ignorance...

[Sclera]

Also the Bible says God is the greatest mass murderer in history. Greater even than Stalin. Is that why you worship him?

He killed people which didn't deserve to live.

You actually believe this too, don't you?

[Tikrong]

You actually believe this too, don't you?

It's funny. But A lot of things that I din't say you all thied to say instead me...
I didn't say that I believe in God... We talked about The Bible...

[JaRDoS]

He killed people which didn't deserve to live.

He created these people he then judged didn't deserve to live.

Are you saying he's a poor craftsman and prone to huge errors? Or are you saying he created all those people so he can kill them later because he enjoys it?

BTW, he also sides with me on the choices thing.

Yes? USSR was poor country? But Nazi Germany would have destroyed all Europe if there hadn't been USSR with their poor economy. USSR with their "poor" economy after war doubled manufacturing... Prior to its dissolution, the USSR had the second largest economy in the world, after the United States.(its CIA information...)

Right. The people going months without pay, the disgruntled soldiers who turned into arms dealers and the documentary where a reporter showed that the USSR was so poor that you could live off one US dollar a day (not including rent) were signs of healthy economy. Second largest economy != dick diddly shit.

Berlin.. It was another country. and called GDR .

Right, and who was managing this other country and basically overseeing it?

Think very carefully before you answer.

So God wants people to have THC. Who are you to argue with him?

You distorted the word, even not you, but there he told about fruits... Not about cocain...

Cocaine is a product of the coca plant, another plant which God gave to us; it requires significant processing in order to create. Marijuana is a naturally growing (designed by God) plant that has multiple uses, of which THC is one that you will experience if you eat the plant. The same way you receive sustenance from eating a carrot.

If God didn't want man to have THC he would not have made it so readily available.

And he also sides with me on the choices issue.

I didn't say anything about drugs and ill people. Some drugs were created as medicine, but people's idle mind desided to use them for new experience. They didn't think about consequenses.

You support prohibition, which hinders medical research.

Alexander Shulgin was studying drugs for potential medical and psychological benefits; his lab was raided and he was branded as drug dealer.

Heroin was used for medical practices before prohibition, so it remains a Class II drug which can only be used by doctors; LSD was being researched for medical potential before prohibition but was not widely used, so it is a Class I drug which means even doctors can't use it despite significant evidence that it can have great pain management benefits in quantities too small to cause hallucinations.

Medical marijuana trials for terminal patients were squashed because marijuana is also a Class I drug and hence it is illegal to review it's value to medicine.

You support all this because you, despite having done no research into these substances, assume they have no inherent value.

You are a slave now. really. You think that you are free, you are enjoying to believe it. But if you look around soberly you will understand that your life isn't your own.

I'm sober almost every hour of every day. I'm also making my own choices more or less every hour of every day, which is more important, and questioning everything around me. So I'm pretty sure I'm not a slave to anything but oxygen and water.

Your patterns of behavior, manners, style were given you by different things. You read Shungin's book and tought it's the only one source of wisdom concerning drugs. You even don't want to know about changing wich drugs bring, you don't want to know about diseases whish they bring.

Actually I know quite a bit about which drugs do what and what common side effects (including mental illness) are linked to what drugs.

More than you can claim.

Though oh, I didn't read Shulgin's book because the place I was working for when I had to create catalogues of drugs by legal category didn't want to buy me a copy. I just had to do a lot of research so that I could include information for people on how to recognise merchants selling products they were not legally entitled to and many of the articles referred to Shulgin's research.

So live, and think that you are free. Allow everything, it's not my business. Who are you that I'm wasting my time on you to explain you simple things?
So enjoy you life in ignorance...

You haven't explained a thing thusfar other than you, like Lucifer, do not feel man is fit to make choices.

And ironically you believe this because of the very book that tells us Lucifer was the bad guy for taking this stance.

[platinum baller]

I'm going to jump onto GLORIOUS MOTHER RUSSIA's side for a moment here.

Consider this: On a math level, (harmful) drugs equate to increase in pleasure and subtraction of health quality. If these people are so hopeless, why not let them fuck themselves up utterly whilst enojying themselves all the way? Unless they had some enormous drive to survive until a natural death occured, it's pointless to even bother trying to resolve their situation if the only motive is to keep them going.

Also - note from a bystander: This really seems to be going nowhere. Rong's point of view seems to revolve entirely around survial. It's as if he just chugged through poverty. To embrace a detraction of life at all is not going to fit into his view. For any of this to achieve anything it's going to require entirely changing Rong's perception of living and the psychology of modern society. Probably also explaining the cynicism of modern man, too. Don't take this as any kind of shot at your efforts or abilities, guys, but this really seems like an inevitable burnout-through-rage stalemate situation. Then again, the patience shown in some of these debates is pretty startling. I'm sure you were absolutely ecsatic to see my negative interpretation of your multiple hour ordeal, no? Apologies. I wouldn't have remarked if I hadn't felt there was a large presence of a similar opinion from the guys who've been in and out of the thread over the period the argument's been going. Ain't I a stinker?

[JaRDoS]

I'm going to jump onto GLORIOUS MOTHER RUSSIA's side for a moment here.

Consider this: On a math level, (harmful) drugs equate to increase in pleasure and subtraction of health quality.

Kind of like how eating = increase in health quality.

Ergo we should all eat as much as we can.

Oh wait.

If these people are so hopeless, why not let them fuck themselves up utterly whilst enojying themselves all the way? Unless they had some enormous drive to survive until a natural death occured, it's pointless to even bother trying to resolve their situation if the only motive is to keep them going.

Except of course plenty of them continue to be productive citizens and don't seem to suffer greatly shortened lifespans as a result of their drug intake.

Or is this one of the inconvenient facts you're hoping we'll overlook?

Also - note from a bystander: This really seems to be going nowhere. Rong's point of view seems to revolve entirely around survial. It's as if he just chugged through poverty.

According to him he lives in one of the richest nations in the world and his life is glorious due to the genius of Marx.

To embrace a detraction of life at all is not going to fit into his view. For any of this to achieve anything it's going to require entirely changing Rong's perception of living and the psychology of modern society. Probably also explaining the cynicism of modern man, too. Don't take this as any kind of shot at your efforts or abilities, guys, but this really seems like an inevitable burnout-through-rage stalemate situation. Then again, the patience shown in some of these debates is pretty startling. I'm sure you were absolutely ecsatic to see my negative interpretation of your multiple hour ordeal, no? Apologies. I wouldn't have remarked if I hadn't felt there was a large presence of a similar opinion from the guys who've been in and out of the thread over the period the argument's been going. Ain't I a stinker?

Congratulations, this paragraph is actually harder to read than his English. So much so I'm not sure where you think you're going with this.

Of course, I also don't care so it's all good.

[platinum baller]

Muay Taken's fain ur git

I was actually trying to show a flaw in his logic through his own viewpoint to him. I'll take arguing against me as a sign that I am truly illigible right now. In all fairness, it is midnight and I've used what little legibility I usually have on an exam. Already dawdling again, so I'll just try to state my point. He's not going to change his opinion. He's not even acknowledging the flaws in his thinking process you're pointing out. I took a stab as to why so I wouldn't come off as too much of a cunt basically talking about him to someone else in a negative light. I think ultimately I'm just inquiring as to why you care to refute him, seeing as how it would obviously be such an effort to try and bring him up to speed seeing as how big an undertaking it's inevitably going to be. To put it bluntly - more receptive people have been unwavered by perfectly logical arguments you've given. This is certainly going to go down a certain path. I suppose on a broad scale I'm asking you what compells you to debate.

Edited by platinum baller, 24 March 2010 - 07:02 AM.

[Tikrong]

He created these people he then judged didn't deserve to live.
Are you saying he's a poor craftsman and prone to huge errors? Or are you saying he created all those people so he can kill them later because he enjoys it?
BTW, he also sides with me on the choices thing.

Do You know that it was happened because people had been given the freedom of choice? They lived like they wanted. The did whatever they liked. So later they changed so much, so they weren't like those who were created.
Do You see what choices have done to the people? But choices are crucially important for people, even in the society described in The Bible and which you called "slaves".

Right. The people going months without pay, the disgruntled soldiers who turned into arms dealers and the documentary where a reporter showed that the USSR was so poor that you could live off one US dollar a day (not including rent) were signs of healthy economy. Second largest economy != dick diddly shit.

Could you give me the source of this desinformation? There wasn't people without pay. Maybe it was written in the european newspaper, because they were frightened of the socialism?

Right, and who was managing this other country and basically overseeing it?

at the beginning they helped GDR with management, but then the influence of USSR became very little.

I'm sober almost every hour of every day. I'm also making my own choices more or less every hour of every day, which is more important, and questioning everything around me. So I'm pretty sure I'm not a slave to anything but oxygen and water.

You see what you want to see. You don't see the truth because it hurts you.

If God didn't want man to have THC he would not have made it so readily available.

I said, that he told about FRUIT not about inflorescences.

You support prohibition, which hinders medical research.

You know, in Japan or China or in both doctors killed people and use them like rats for testing effects of something. Maybe we should allow it again, as it will advance our science?

his lab was raided and he was branded as drug dealer.

It happened after publishing his book, in which he described creation of many drugs.

Except of course plenty of them continue to be productive citizens and don't seem to suffer greatly shortened lifespans as a result of their drug intake.

junkies which were using heroin rarely can be useful later. But the point is that:
If drugs are allowed, a lot of companies will start make light drugs. A lot of people will use them insted of cigaretts. Now our siciety struggle with smokers, but they will get a greater problem.
I think you know about problems with health wich junkies has? And it will lead us to changes in our nature... and one more thing, drugs caused dependence, the make slave from you...

According to him he lives in one of the richest nations in the world and his life is glorious due to the genius of Marx.

It's a pity but now my country isn't based on ideas of Marx... But I always lived good here.

[Charm & Strange]

You know, in Japan or China or in both doctors killed people and use them like rats for testing effects of something. Maybe we should allow it again, as it will advance our science?

No one is suggesting conducting inhumane research.

It happened after publishing his book, in which he described creation of many drugsIt happened after publishing his book, in which he described creation of many drugs

A book legally published containing information which by law can be freely distributed and written with a legitimate purpose. It is a science book not a drugs book. Not all the chemicals contained within are psychoactive. Why do you struggle to understand this?

If drugs are allowed, a lot of companies will start make light drugs. A lot of people will use them insted of cigaretts.

You're assuming that the current legislation is actually preventing people from using drugs which it isn't.

Could you give me the source of this desinformation? There wasn't people without pay. Maybe it was written in the european newspaper, because they were frightened of the socialism?

Hisorical fact on the subject is not dependent on one's location. The Soviet Union was fuelled only by patriotism and propaganda, the actual running of the state was abysmal.

[Tikrong]

No one is suggesting conducting inhumane research.

But you suggest allownig the thing, which are inhuman...

A book legally published containing information which by law can be freely distributed and written with a legitimate purpose.

OK. But this book contains propaganda of drugs, methods of synthesis drugs and it breaks the law.

It is a science book not a drugs book

Really? And there aren't detailed recipes of making drugs in it...

You're assuming that the current legislation is actually preventing people from using drugs which it isn't.

I'm assuming that permission the drugs will lead to growth of the count of junkies.

Hisorical fact on the subject is not dependent on one's location.

But these facts depends on the source. I think that almost every gay will tell you that sex with man is better and more pleasant than sex with woman for a male... So will you believe him? It's so reliable source, especially for you as

fact on the subject is not dependent on one's location.

The Soviet Union was fuelled only by patriotism and propaganda,

And where did people get patriotism if it's were so bad country? Those people conducted revolution earlier... And then they lived in a good country which they loved.

and if we turn to history we will se that drugs were used to make slaves from people. For example Hashshashins, who used drugs for subordination of people.

[JaRDoS]

Quick reply from work, I won't be debating tonight, I'll be hanging with a friend instead.

That's right, I have a friend, I'm as shocked as you are.

Do You know that it was happened because people had been given the freedom of choice? They lived like they wanted. The did whatever they liked. So later they changed so much, so they weren't like those who were created.
Do You see what choices have done to the people? But choices are crucially important for people, even in the society described in The Bible and which you called "slaves".

Actually when God reflected on his decision he decided that those people weren't so bad and didn't deserve to die and it was a mistake.

Hence why he's cut down on the number of mass homicides since.

He's still the greatest mass murderer in history though.

Could you give me the source of this desinformation? There wasn't people without pay. Maybe it was written in the european newspaper, because they were frightened of the socialism?

Frightened of socialism after the USSR had collapsed because it could no longer support itself? Uh hu.

But no, I'm not going to supply you sources because you've already shown you don't read them. Instead I'm going to challenge you to explain to me why, with all the resources, population, talent base, public support and everything else they had going for them... why did the USSR collapse and why are so many of the countries that were part of it wrought with crime and poverty? Including Russia.

at the beginning they helped GDR with management, but then the influence of USSR became very little.

So they set up the infrastructure and it fell... about the same time the USSR did. Wait that seems too coincidental... oh that's because the USSR was occupying the GDR as part of their agreement after the war. So basically you're saying that the USSR neglects their responsibilities.

You see what you want to see. You don't see the truth because it hurts you.

Irony. Are you immune?

I said, that he told about FRUIT not about inflorescences.

He said he gave humanity all seed bearing plants. So why did he create it and fit it into this definition if he didn't want them to have it?

You know, in Japan or China or in both doctors killed people and use them like rats for testing effects of something. Maybe we should allow it again, as it will advance our science?

Do the people they're killing deserve it?

It happened after publishing his book, in which he described creation of many drugs.

Like every set of encylopedias does?

junkies which were using heroin rarely can be useful later. But the point is that:
If drugs are allowed, a lot of companies will start make light drugs. A lot of people will use them insted of cigaretts. Now our siciety struggle with smokers, but they will get a greater problem.

History disagrees with you.

I think you know about problems with health wich junkies has? And it will lead us to changes in our nature... and one more thing, drugs caused dependence, the make slave from you...

Yeah, Robert Downey Junior has been such an asshole since his drug experiences. Caring about his family, staring in movies that entertain people, talking about how he found more meaning in life.

It's a pity but now my country isn't based on ideas of Marx... But I always lived good here.

It used to be, but then the empire fell, so I can only conclude one of two things.

Either Marx's principle don't work.

God hates your country and is just torturing it slowly instead of drowing it.

[Sclera]

Congratulations, this paragraph is actually harder to read than his English. So much so I'm not sure where you think you're going with this.

Jardel, meet Samson. Harder to decipher than prose written by a retarded martian with downs syndrome.

[Tikrong]

But no, I'm not going to supply you sources because you've already shown you don't read them. Instead I'm going to challenge you to explain to me why, with all the resources, population, talent base, public support and everything else they had going for them... why did the USSR collapse and why are so many of the countries that were part of it wrought with crime and poverty? Including Russia.

It didn't collapsed. Gorbachev destroyed it because he was a slut of the west... It's simple. They turned socialism into something strange...

Including Russia.

Strange. Not so long ago The Ukraine closed tubes of gas which were transported to Eurepe and Eurepeans started to cry. On the other had Russia is a young country my friend, and after some time it becoma the greatest, because there aren't so many people which were spoiled by permissiveness...

So they set up the infrastructure and it fell... about the same time the USSR did. Wait that seems too coincidental... oh that's because the USSR was occupying the GDR as part of their agreement after the war. So basically you're saying that the USSR neglects their responsibilities.

Nothing like that. It was distructed by the men like Gorbachev, who was granted The Nobel Peace prize by some idiots...

Irony. Are you immune?

you are funny...

He said he gave humanity all seed bearing plants. So why did he create it and fit it into this definition if he didn't want them to have it?

He created the world of oportunaties. Everybody had a lot of choices. But as we see it spoiled people, so some choices must be restricted.

Do the people they're killing deserve it?

I don't know them... How can I judge?

Like every set of encylopedias does?

show me these "every encylopedias"...
Normal authors don't publish such recipes.

History disagrees with you.

Are you a mr history or what?
Since discovering the tobacco the manufaturing of it increase.

Yeah, Robert Downey Junior has been such an asshole since his drug experiences. Caring about his family, staring in movies that entertain people, talking about how he found more meaning in life.

It's a pity that i don't know names of junkies which dead because of drugs... And freak children of junkies... very pity...

Either Marx's principle don't work.

What have happend to other economy recently? Every TV were breaking about economical crisis... Strange isn't it? Free economy was bad.

[Bosola]

The Soviet Union was to socialism what the Spanish Inquisition was to Christianity. Stop hijacking our philosophy.

[JaRDoS]

It didn't collapsed. Gorbachev destroyed it because he was a slut of the west... It's simple. They turned socialism into something strange...

:laugh: Yeah, the unstoppable power of the USSR was subverted and destroyed by a spotty old man with a taste for decadence and crazy ideas that human suffering is bad. What a mighty nation that was. The massive inflation rates, the shortages of essential supplies, the Kremlin's own records of shortages etc were all merely an elaborate ruse to cover up it's great might.

All destroyed by one man who you claim is not that impressive.

:laugh:

Or it could be you're ignorant of it due the Kremlin's infamous censorship bans on poverty in the USSR or anything else that could undermine the confidence of the USSR.

I suppose you think that was an overrated freedom and people deserved to die to talking about what they saw every day too.

Strange. Not so long ago The Ukraine closed tubes of gas which were transported to Eurepe and Eurepeans started to cry. On the other had Russia is a young country my friend, and after some time it becoma the greatest, because there aren't so many people which were spoiled by permissiveness...

:laugh: You will need to learn to read and remember past five minutes. As stated in my previous post, Russia and the USSR has massive natural resources at it's disposal so it should, if it was managed well by the USSR have been a greater super power than China or the United States.

All information shows that it is, however, still recovering the from it's years under communism: http://en.wikipedia....onomy_of_Russia

Wikipedia used because it sites multiple sources and people who think the Bible is a valid source don't get to complain.

He said he gave humanity all seed bearing plants. So why did he create it and fit it into this definition if he didn't want them to have it?

He created the world of oportunaties. Everybody had a lot of choices. But as we see it spoiled people, so some choices must be restricted.

By who? You're saying you know better than God what choices are and aren't to be allowed? You know better than the Holy Bible, the book you brought in claiming it to be a superior work to Beyond Good and Evil and so far have shown us that you have no knowledge of it's contents, let alone of it's significance or meaning.

Do the people they're killing deserve it?

I don't know them... How can I judge?

Then why do you care? For all you know they had it coming.

You had no problem accepting that every person God murdered with the floods had it coming, no problem with accepting that every person of the millions who died at the behest of Comrade Stalin had it coming. Why do you think that Asians are incapable of moral decisions? Why is it fine for people you like to murder at a whim but not okay for anyone else to consider a cause more valuable than one man's life?

show me these "every encylopedias"...
Normal authors don't publish such recipes.

Standard encyclopedias cover how opium is grown and harvested, they cover how marijuana is identified, grown and used, they cover how alcohol is brewed, distilled and prepared. This is all common knowledge along with how to create black powder, smokeless powder and numerous other explosives. It is also common knowledge how to kill people with a sharp implement or your bare hands.

That you're a psychopath who can't be trusted doesn't mean everyone or even most people are.

Are you a mr history or what?
Since discovering the tobacco the manufaturing of it increase.

You're seriously saying there was less tobacco before tobacco was discovered? The logic fail there is more epic than you're been managing to date, give yourself a hand.

Heroin, hashish, cocaine, marijuana and many other prohibited drugs were all available by normal means long before the were prohibited. Prohibition has turned them from a mild pharmacy offshoot into a billion dollar criminal industry and made them more dangerous to people.

Marijuana commonly available in the 70s had far less THC per gram than the average marijuana sold today. Prior to 1953 heroin was available in Australia in regulated dosages through pharmacists, it is not recorded how many people were using it but the cases of medical emergency or disaster due to overdose etc were historically insignificant. Afterwards cases of death and disaster due to tainted heroin, overdoses, etc have been so dramatic they've led to campaigns against it.

It's all there, all you have to do is read a book. But knowledge scares you so I suppose that's too much to ask.

It's a pity that i don't know names of junkies which dead because of drugs... And freak children of junkies... very pity...

You don't know the names of junkies who've died because you don't care about them. But tell me, why are they more deserving of pity than people who suicide or self destruct due to different reasons? Say... being unable to cope with pressure from society and parental figures.

What have happend to other economy recently? Every TV were breaking about economical crisis... Strange isn't it? Free economy was bad.

What happens in other economies is of no relevance to whether the rules of your own economy work.

The USSR collapsed because it's economic models were unfit to survive, the experts who were working there at the time and had all the information said so.

You say differently because you are a brain washed moron who is incapable of considering any information that conflicts with existing opinions. Had you been born in a different era in Russia you would have fought on the side of the Tzar because you wouldn't want the Bolsheviks challenging the status quo.