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#1 UnbiasedLover

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 01:51 AM

deleted a bunch of stuff


Instead here's the best article ever. "America is the Capital of Global Arrogance"


and Chris Hedges on Empire of Illusion is awesome.



Democracy is a Joke in America. The vast majority of Americans are stupid, complacent, ignorant, and easily manipulated tools. Americans vote based on potential material benefits, what the vapid media tells them, and apparently by skin color. The remaining 95% of the world is an unknown to these people- especially ghastly when US foreign policy is overwhelmingly destructive around the world- the Military Industrial Complex is sure to manufacture in every American State while the average American voter will not tell Austria from Australia when you ask them :good:

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 02:31 AM

The Greeks would be ashamed.


The Greeks themselves despised the democratic system, Plato and Aristotle thought democracy is the reign of the talentless lower classes, the tyranny of the poor. They both preferred monarchy. They wouldn't be ashamed because of the disfunctionalities of democracy,

Otherwise, I'm not that much into US politics to engage in this debate, but I'm pretty sure you exaggarating several problems...or rather most of them.
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#3 UnbiasedLover

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 03:09 AM

Interesting about the Greeks, and this tyranny of the masses.

I don't feel I exaggerate though. At least not about jobs, and corruption being widespread in government, corporations, and media. Which is really what's important.
At least 10 million jobs have been lost in recent years, with more always. Plus a large percentage of the population is illegal immigrants who are sometimes more appealing to employers. General factory labor is already exceptionally rare even without illegal Mexican workers.

14 Trillion dollar debt is disastrous. There is no solution.

The US economy is largely service and business jobs, all relating to products in most cases made elsewhere. I think globalization to this extreme degree is very dangerous. America doesn't have nearly enough manufacturing or exporting in the actual country made by the citizens. I hate all of that labor being on another continent. With China being so involved in the debt, the US economy and basic existence is very flimsy.
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Posted 24 July 2010 - 07:55 AM

Well, the Greeks didn't give the vote to slaves. Vote casting was done by citizens, who were also the military. The gist was that only soldiers could decide whether or not to fight a war - the other issues votes concerned were significant, but ultimately ancillary to this.
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#5 HenryHill

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 08:27 AM

I HAZ ALL TEH VOTES!!!

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#6 The Killer Instinct

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 09:48 AM

Seriously shut the fuck up, about Americans. We're not the neanderthals that you've obviously come to see us as.

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 09:58 AM

Jesus, I'm no fan of America either, but chill the fuck out man, it's not that bad.
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Posted 24 July 2010 - 10:06 AM

By liberal bias, ubl, are you talking about people like you?
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Posted 24 July 2010 - 10:12 AM

Post is large so I put in a spoiler

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Edited by The Killer Instinct, 24 July 2010 - 10:27 AM.

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#10 UnbiasedLover

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 01:17 PM

I refer to the ancient Greeks. Obviously I need to study their history better guys.

By liberal bias, ubl, are you talking about people like you?

Obama continues to do shit, yet the mainstream media doesn't report any of it. Entire Tea Parties are labeled racist. Rather than reporting what the underlying concepts are, they just find a racist minority and have the whole thing labeled as such. That is bias.


Thank you TKI :D
Despite improving the school system, he had smoking banned, coffee banned from subways, bars and clubs closed after a certain hour. He also spent like a billion on a sports stadium.

Under him the rents have risen significantly. He has openly talked about his vision of Manhattan being exclusive to the super rich. A luxury city like Dubai. That's rather unfair, because Manhattan is supposed to have diversity.

His multi Billion dollar wealth has doubled while he's been in office. He's giving ridiculous breaks to big business. There are examples of personal staff directly working for him stealing millions of tax dollars. The MTA found like 100 million dollars, yet still went ahead with fare increases.


Lastly, he supports all these illegal immigrants. He's too high up to realize how much of a problem they are for the working class. Personally, I want all of those illegal immigrants deported. Too many jobs taken, too much of a burden. They can come back with citizenship. Arizona has the right idea. Identify them and kick them out.

"racial profiling" is kind of inevitable when 99% of the illegals are Mexicans. If you're a legal Hispanic citizen, just have your ID on you. Mild burden, but it's necessary. Too many people are crybabies.
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#11 The Killer Instinct

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 02:47 PM

Sources? I've never once seen a report on any of those.
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Posted 24 July 2010 - 03:39 PM

UBL Are you going to just sit there like a faggot or make a counter arguement?

Edit: And to make a point of you, I'll note the fact that the the wire report as well as a government export factsheet, the wirereport stating that that both the exports have gone up 17.7% within the last five months of this year.

According to the Census Bureau and the Bureau of Economic Analysis of the U.S. Commerce Department, U.S. exports totaled $739.5 billion during the January-through-May period of 2010, which represents a 17.7 percent increase from the same period of 2009. May was the strongest month of exportation to date, as well as the strongest monthly performance since September 2008.


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As well as the government released export fact sheet from a couple of years ago again explaining that exports had gone up again by 12.0% in 2008. Export Factsheet source(.pdf)

Noting these, I've pretty much destroyed your entire your entire arguement of the there being no industry left in the United States.

Also what the fuck are you talking about corporations being evil for laying people off. Do you not understand the basics of economics. If not then allow me to introduce you to the fundemental idea of laying off those who aren't needed. It's simple dumps the excess that isn't needed. It's not a goddamn charity, it's a business that's out to make money.

Ive always believed that parents should raise their children and should set some appropriate times for them to be home, and parents should know where their children are and what they are doing, but I don't know that I think that government should be involved in that," said Bloomberg.

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Bloomberg was not for a curfew of any sort it was city council. And as I've quoted he wasn't for it to begin with.

Also as for your arguement on apartment rates skyrocketing. I've yet to find a source stating any of your points at all. So unless you have one then you can shut the fuck up.

Edited by The Killer Instinct, 24 July 2010 - 04:24 PM.

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#13 UnbiasedLover

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 04:18 PM

vendors
better source

charging homeless people


blah blah blah

...offering generous deals to developers at the expense of average New Yorkers, including refusing to demand more so-called living-wage jobs while granting developers taxpayer subsidies.

Thompson says that under Bloomberg, who founded the Bloomberg LP news and information company that competes with Thomson Reuters, average New Yorkers have suffered the burdens of high taxes and, until recently, rising rents.

"Mike Bloomberg has made our city a wonderland for Wall Street and a dreamland for developers while the middle class, small businesses, entrepreneurs and working families have been shut out and weighed down by the burdens of his misguided policies," Thompson has said.

Thompson has spent $6 million for his campaign, leaving him greatly outgunned by Bloomberg, who has poured more than $85 million of his own money into the campaign.


Rent controls seem to be very complex and I'm unsure.. But Bloomberg isn't actually doing anything to make the city affordable.

Opportunity NYC cash incentives for impoverished people. What the city needs is more jobs and affordable housing, yet I see this as Bloomberg just "throwing money" at poor people as incentives to find jobs that are scarce. Rather than providing actual opportunity, it's just like welfare.

lastly, small business

My accusations of an elitist prick mayor are maybe exaggerated, but he doesn't seem to be doing any good besides the schools. Rents are rising, new public housing isn't being built, vendors are being controlled and even kicked out, draconian regulations and fines. All while Bloomberg's personal wealth has doubled.

I think I can safely say my accusations are at least leaning in the right direction, with the middle class being forced out of the city. more reading

More about rent control and other stuff

lawmakers nearly always seem to favor more subsidized housing. Mayor Michael Bloomberg is now pushing a $7.5 billion Affordable Housing Plan that offers tax-exempt debt to anyone who builds "affordable housing." And he wants to expand the number of people who qualify for such units by including families earning up to $75,000 a year.

I'd appreciate if someone could help shine a light on this. Cheap housing is good. But letting high income people qualify too seems backwards..

The Manhattan Institute's Nicole Gelinas points out that this will add 5.7 million New Yorkers to the eligibility lists, making it harder still to win the apartment lottery in New York.


Sorry this post is completely about New York. It is politics, just very focused on one thing. Having such a vague thread topic was probably foolish of me.

Edited by UnbiasedLover, 24 July 2010 - 04:21 PM.

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#14 The Killer Instinct

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 04:26 PM

What does Bloomberg limiting art vendors have to do with anything we were speaking about?

Alright you were right about rent controls and prices skyrocketing I'll admit it. I wasn't at all aware of what you meant by Rent prices skyrocketing now, which at this point where you've posted better sources to explain yourself. I can understand you better.

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#15 UnbiasedLover

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 04:32 PM

him being a douchebag

Also what the fuck are you talking about corporations being evil for laying people off. Do you not understand the basics of economics. If not then allow me to introduce you to the fundemental idea of laying off those who aren't needed. It's simple dumps the excess that isn't needed. It's not a goddamn charity, it's a business that's out to make money.


10 million people layed off. CEOs giving themselves bonuses. I'm sorry but using your "they're unnecessary" logic suggests you would be okay if all labor jobs including cash register clerks were replaced with automated machines. Which Wal Marts are already doing.

There is a point where it stops being "necessary lay offs of useless employees", and instead it's just corporate greed running amok.

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 04:37 PM

Well then you might as well get on the band wagon about people being douchebags, since the majority of people are to some extent.

As for necessary lay offs, its a bit greedy. But also, welcome to the technological era. It's not as if, anyone could expect it to remain the same. It's being efficient and buying those makes people more money in the long term. The whole point of a business enterprise is to make money. So sorry if it hurts you but that's just it. Its happening here to, the local supermarket is buying those automated machines left and right.

Edit: The only thing I'll say is that the machines do screw up sometimes, attendants are still needed.

Edited by The Killer Instinct, 24 July 2010 - 04:41 PM.

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#17 UnbiasedLover

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 04:51 PM

The attendants are the overworked, remaining cashiers. The day they protest this is the day they're fired and replaced.
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Posted 24 July 2010 - 04:55 PM

It's pretty much always been this way, since the early twentieth century.
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Posted 24 July 2010 - 04:58 PM

Useful regulations can be passed to force corporate and government transparency. Americans can grow a pair and protest corruption like the French.
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Posted 24 July 2010 - 05:01 PM

Trust me the French and other europeans have had just as much trouble with corruption and over government regulations as the U.S have. They are by no means superior.

edit: also define corporate transparency?

Edited by The Killer Instinct, 24 July 2010 - 05:02 PM.

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