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[hityutz]

hitman murders 200 million sperm cells everyday.

[sgg847]

hitman murders 200 million sperm cells everyday.

This guy definitely has sense of humour.

p.s. I have to kill several millions now.

Edited by sgg847, 25 February 2012 - 04:49 PM.

[JaRDoS]

A person claimed to have a rate of success more high.


250/5

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Kuklinski

Not just one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_DeMeo (at least 70 possibly 200)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignazio_Lupo (at least 60, suspected he did may more never linked to him)

And these are mafia enforcers, not fictional globe trotting super assassins. 47 is more comparable to Golgo 13 or James Bond than any real figure.

For ICA to be sustainable as an organization they'd need to have regular business going, so that means 47 would be working at pretty much the same pace we see him in the game to make it worth giving him a handler and all his toys. So it simply makes best sense to assume that outside of his game adventures he has lots of boring, straight forward jobs that we don't get to see or play because they're just not exciting enough.

Really, who'd want to play a mission where we just climb up a fire escape, snipe a guy as he gets out of his limo then walk to the exit 'cause it turns out this guy didn't have an attack helicopter on standby?

[Watson]

Also, Hitman is a complete work of fiction, writers can bring up as many "past" missions as they see convenient to the story. In the case of all the games (as Jardos mentions), it's the exciting, playable and story-worthy missions that make the cut.

[Cerb]

He walks into a setup at least twice per game, I'd think that has some effect, if any.

[Expert]

@Jardos

Interesting links. Apparently Richard Kuklinski filled several contracts for DeMeo, and also claimed that he was the one who murdered him.

There was this guy more recently.

http://www.canoe.com...327-055500.html
http://www.guardian....r-pleads-guilty


Not only was he a murderer very productive, but Gallant was careful, he planned his crimes in detail, which enabled him to act with incredible composure.

Police sources indicate that Gallant followed his prey for several weeks without their knowledge before taking action.

With a formidable memory, Gallant was on the lookout for all the relevant details and noted his comments.

Thus, he knew all the habits of its victims and can assess risk and determine where and when to strike.

He often hit in broad daylight in public places such as restaurants and other lots in front of witnesses. Often he wore no mask or hood. Just a beard and glasses to transform him slightly.

Police sources said that a few times, he received his orders in a church, the Cathedral of St. Anne de Beaupre.

Edited by Expert, 09 November 2012 - 10:59 PM.

[Dev J Chand]

But doesn't the success rate refer to Diana?
Yes, I get that 47 might have had many missions, and some of these could be covered later on for the story. But, Nick@IO said that it was for Diana. So, it could apply to some missions she didn't give intelligence about, or missions where the ICA itself gave improper equipment.
Still, the success rate applies to Diana. Unless, of course, they show something which we didn't know about, like a few missions after Blood Money. I guess it'll be a few missions after all the events so far, rather than the earlier missions. But, it's up to IO.

[Expert]

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Edited by Expert, 09 November 2012 - 10:59 PM.

[Frantz Fuchs]

Was Diana the handler of another agent before 47 joined the ICA?

[Habit]

I know that Diana was was 47 sole handler, but that doesn't mean 47 was the only agent she handled. Diana could have other agents fail missions. I personally don't know a lot about Diana, just what you learn from the games, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[Choronzon]

I know that Diana was was 47 sole handler, but that doesn't mean 47 was the only agent she handled. Diana could have other agents fail missions.

This is absolutely true. We don't know a lot about the hierarchal structure of the ICA. We know there are handlers, informants and operatives, but that's about it. It's entirely plausible that each handler manages a small pool of operatives, say 2 or 3. Handling 2-3 operatives regarding intelligence, resources and logistics is manageable for one person. Not each operative need be a high-profile and much-in-demand asset like agent 47. As Jardos pointed out, for ICA to remain financially stable and keeping its operations running at a desired level of quality, they need jobs and missions to be completed on a regular basis. This includes mundane and unexciting tasks such as assassinating low-profile targets (far lower on the criminal food chain), shadowing people, gathering incriminatory evidence, observing regional criminal activity (to sell that info to government agencies).

ICA is a clandestine mercenary agency, while assassinations is primarily what we see/do, I'm sure they do other things as well. It would only make sense that way to keep the operation afloat, in terms of resources spent and the income they generate. We also don't know much about the status (or profile, if you will) of other ICA operatives since we've always been dealing with (one of more?) of its top agents, namely 47.

Edited by Choronzon, 27 February 2012 - 02:42 AM.

[sgg847]

Hope you haven't forgotten this guy

Why do you think he was killed? Maybe he was wrong with choosing the bar.


How about this guy

[Dev J Chand]

This is absolutely true. We don't know a lot about the hierarchal structure of the ICA. We know there are handlers, informants and operatives, but that's about it. It's entirely plausible that each handler manages a small pool of operatives, say 2 or 3. Handling 2-3 operatives regarding intelligence, resources and logistics is manageable for one person. Not each operative need be a high-profile and much-in-demand asset like agent 47. As Jardos pointed out, for ICA to remain financially stable and keeping its operations running at a desired level of quality, they need jobs and missions to be completed on a regular basis. This includes mundane and unexciting tasks such as assassinating low-profile targets (far lower on the criminal food chain), shadowing people, gathering incriminatory evidence, observing regional criminal activity (to sell that info to government agencies).

ICA is a clandestine mercenary agency, while assassinations is primarily what we see/do, I'm sure they do other things as well. It would only make sense that way to keep the operation afloat, in terms of resources spent and the income they generate. We also don't know much about the status (or profile, if you will) of other ICA operatives since we've always been dealing with (one of more?) of its top agents, namely 47.

Good theory.
Also, one more thing: Diana might have also gone through some training. In the course of the training, she might not have performed perfectly. Just as people said that 47 could've been misdirected by Diana in some early missions, Diana herself could have been misdirected by her sources.
But a 97% success rate isn't something to worry about. It's still a high success rate, in the world of espionage where many false alarms are raised, and many threats go unnoticed.

[Expert]

There are necessarily an intelligence service in the ICA with specialized agents. It is also in this way that 47 is able to know where is a target and where is an hostage. Sometimes certain weapons are placed in advance on the lieu of the mission.

Edited by Expert, 28 February 2012 - 08:26 AM.

[Choronzon]

There are necessarily an intelligence service in the ICA with specialized agents. It is also in this way that 47 is able to know where is a target and where is an hostage. Sometimes certain weapons are placed in advance on the lieu of the mission.

Absolutely true, but this is the logistics/intelligence management I spoke about earlier.

Obviously, deep undercover field agents or specialized agents (as you call them) deal with the physical side of that job, but in the end it is still the handler who organizes all these practical matters. Only in true dire situations (like Contracts finale) a handler will go "out in the field" (it's lightly suggested in existing dialogue that it is against standard ICA protocol), but these are exceptions to the rule. It is the handler who collects the relevant information, who sets in place informants and organizes practical matters (disguises, weapons, tools) to assist the agent in the designated mission/objective. The operative/agent is only aware of what ICA and its respective handler inform him/her of. Of course, there are situations of improvisation on the spot, but these are (generally) far and few.

Also, as Dev J Chand correctly points out Diana herself is only human, so she's susceptible to deception (from within ICA and third-parties, for example) and possible misinformation handed to her through the chain of command. She has her resources, obviously, but these are also limited to a certain extent. Surely, ICA will filter and verify any information they gather, but this system is not 100% fool-proof.

And why is everybody crying so much about the success rate?

97% success rate is an exemplary track record. 100% would indicate that person is flawless in every way, which again, is unlikely - since Diana is in the end, just a person like you and me.

Edited by Choronzon, 28 February 2012 - 09:09 AM.

[Expert]

It is the handler who collects the relevant information, who sets in place informants and organizes practical matters (disguises, weapons, tools)

And a box of cakes for 4:00 p.m.


But I am agree with you.

[Choronzon]

But I am agree with you.

Is today a special day?

In separate threads I'm agreeing with both Expert and Cold Shadow. Hell must have frozen over.

But to remain on-topic. A 97% success rate is nigh on flawless. I think it reasonably implies that Diana is a worthy asset of ICA and a highly trained agent on her own.

Edited by Choronzon, 28 February 2012 - 09:42 AM.

[Johnny Drama]

97% is damn good. Almost nobody in their profession have a 100% succes rate. No wonder Diana got promoted.

[Cold Shadow]

^Yeah ALMOST no one has a 100% success record. You are right about that except for 47 that is

[Quinn]

I was under the impression that Diana had assumed complete control of the Agency after the events of Blood Money. She had said to 47 during a mission briefing that the two of them were the only surviving members, and that she was liquidating the assets of the ICA and splitting what was left with him. At the end of the game, she is shown in a large office, addressing someone on the phone as 'Your Majesty', implying that her standing within the hierarchy of the ICA had dramatically increased. However, the latest video reveals that she is still surrounded by superiors and equals who will happily turn her in if they catch the slightest whiff of her behaving strangely... It must be a cut-throat world when it comes to the business of murder. Even when you're a 97 percenter, you still have to be on your toes.