Yeah a cartoon dinosaur saying its ok to beat & rape women would be fine , as long as it isn't played on childrens TV , that type of shit happens in South Park all the time & its funny as fuck ,its just not suitable for young children , but young children are still learning & are easily influenced , adults aren't , unless they have mental issues, but we cant wrap society in cotton wool just because of a few nutters .
Let's stick with the hypothetical example I set earlier (Barney the Dinosaur not condoning domestic abuse/violence). Children and young adolescents are more susceptible to imitate behaviors and values they see in different media (internet, video games, movies). Yes, as you rightly say, young children are still learning and easily influenced. This is exactly why third parties (say IO Interactive and Square-Enix) should be aware of what message they are sending to their intended audience, which (like it or not) consists of a great majority of easily impressionable and influential kids and younglings. This is why the outcry regarding this trailer is so adamant and entirely justified. It might not offend you
personally, but that doesn't mean other people won't feel offended.
There's a significant difference, however. Barney the Dinosaur (or Teletubbies) is clearly aimed at a specific audience: toddlers and young children. South Park, for all intents and purposes, is a social satire for grown ups dressed up a kid's cartoon. South Park has a different agenda than the average kid's show you see at Disney. This is common knowledge. This doesn't mean that all media should be censored. No. Everything has its place. It's about taking personal responsibility. Hitman, for good or ill, is a +18 game. Presenting it is a revenge fantasy fulfillment against women is just wrong on so many levels, especially when IO has made it clear that they wish to attract a "broad and wide" audience, which again, consists of a lot of young, dumb and impressionable kids (that probably don't know any better).
you're looking into things to find meaning that isn't there , if we start down that road we'll end up in an Orwellian nightmare were everyone is afraid to say or do anything in case someone finds some unintended meaning in it & deems it an offence to society .
A lot of people must be suffering from a severe case of mass delusion then, because a lot of different groups of people have taken offense to this trailer.
females are capable of doing just as fucked up shit as men are , the fact you seem to put females on this pedestal were they are separated from doing evil things & need protecting by men is laughable .
Of course females are just as capable of doing heinous acts like males. Nobody ever denied that. That's not the point. I'm not putting females on a pedestal of any kind. I was only advocating a more worldly, cultured and perhaps evenly balanced view of women in video games (and, indeed, media in general). It seems these days there are only two ways of portraying women in popular media forms:
1. the Stay-At-Home/Submissive Kind: The girl/woman in question cannot ever take a decision herself. Her Godly Male does that for her. Her goal in life is to provide progeny and to rear the offspring while her better half goes on to do Important Things.
2. the Sassy Murderous Vixen: This girl/woman is a popular cliché that continues to persevere after all these years. The ultimate Male Fantasy in symmetry and form, a lustful succubus out to (physically/spiritually) murder/emasculate the male with her Uncontrollable Sexuality, a result of liberating Independent Thought. She must by all means be repressed and killed if necessary, because a woman with Free Will and Independent Thought is a dangerous prospect that endangers the status-quo at large.
Where are the Elena Fischer/Chloe Frazier (Uncharted), the Bonnie MacFarlane/Luisa Fortuna (Red Dead Redemption), the Madison Paige (Heavy Rain) or the Talwin Apogee (Ratchet & Clank) type characters of the gaming world? They are far and few, because most game developers still think their audience consists of drooling baboons that barely are able to form a coherent sentence, let alone carry an argument. I like sexy women just as much as the next red-blooded, heterosexual male - but this negative stereotyping is really working to our disadvantage at this point.
We all want video games to be taken serious as a medium, yet developers and player alike aren't able to think without their crotch - isn't it time we started thinking with our brain instead of our loins? Don't we... don't you deserve better than that? Don't you find it insulting that games are constantly aimed at our crotch instead of our brains, heart and souls? I know I'm seriously starting to detest that. I cannot possibly be the only one.
if a female hits me i'll fucking hit her back , obviously taking account the situation & the size of my foe but not the sexuality ,
Doesn't that mean that you are
already desensitized to inter-sex violence by the various popular media? Since adults aren't influenced by media, by your own words, with the process of elimination this would mean you are either a young kid or an easily impressionable child. According to your own theories above this must mean you probably didn't have a proper upbringing or parental advisory, are missing the mental facilities required to separate fiction from reality, that you are missing the two brain cells required to rub together or are a garden variety nutcase. Before you go flaming and down voting my post, please remember that I merely re-state one of the arguments you used above. These are
your words, not mine.
as a small weedy guy is just as vulnerable to physical harm by other persons as a weedy female is , although put a weapon in their hands & weaker humans are just as deadly as stronger humans, & not all females are delicate little flower types ,
Obviously not all females are delicate flower types. That was not the point, the questionable context of this trailer (and the message it is spreading) was the point of contention in this discussion.
go watch the female MMA fighters , they'd smash the shit out of many a man .
That is an
entirely different context than the content of this trailer, isn't it? In MMA competitions female-on-female or even male-on-female violence isn't a point, it's the very objective. That sort of violence will also not elicit outcry. It is what people and fighters alike come to these competitions for. The very reason of its existence. These women are professionally trained fighters with years of experience in the arena. They are paid hefty sums as reimbursement for the task they were contracted to fulfill. MMA is a business first and sport second. These women receive all the care they deserve when being contracted to fight. It does not, at any point, debase/degrade or sexually objectify the women in question. MMA is truly empowering females, proving that they can equal their male counterparts.
Edited by Choronzon, 10 June 2012 - 05:51 AM.
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