Unpopular Opinions About Other Games/Series

thank you, obi wan kenobi. :smile:

i found him really obnoxious and lacking a decent motivation (cared more about fuckin’ claude :smile:).

i think it was partly down to the awful vocal performance and partly the houser’s first real (and very ropey) attempt at writing a player character.

…and say what you want about trevor, but at least he was ‘funny’ and scary (and even kind of vulnerable?) as was needed.

yeeeeeah, i’m perhaps expecting a wittle bit too much from gta protagonists. :smile:

in contrast to gta - gta, ferrchristsakeswhatwrongwithme - the gameplay is all i really care about here. tom clancy stories are exotic location names, military/political adjectives and jingoism.

i normally only ghost these sorts of games, but i liked that it also rewarded a couple of different, more violent playstyles. stealth games are a particular brand of power fantasy, and i find the ghost style’s is enhanced by having to resist the temptation to murderise everyone (like dishonored).

also also: grimsdottier’s (spelling?) missions are some of the series’ best. :man_shrugging:t4:

given how few people have played it, technically yes. :wink:

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Streetfighter ll > old MK Games
New MK Games > new Streetfighter Games.

The old MK Games definitely suffer from ‘Arcade Illness’, the AI reads all of your inputs and basically fucks you up before you can even throw your fireball. Being good at MK2 boils down to knowing how to abuse the AI and that sucks.

But if you have a Human opponent i think they are a lot of fun.

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Red Dead Redemption 2 is a steaming pile of shit and so is every GTA game since (and including) GTA4.

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Cyberpunk 2077 is better than anything made by Rockstar.

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Rockstar are trash lmao

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not when max payne 3 exists, bubba. :wink:

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Max Payne 3 was a boring cynical slog of extreme pornographic violence and hardcore misogyny

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Everyone will hate me during the course of this thread lolol

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Only if you flood the thread with very short lines. Consolidate it into a single post or it looks like you’re trolling and trying to get a rise out of people

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Didn’t mean to sound patronising or anything, just that it’s not necessarily an unpopular opinion regarding GTA games, at least among a certain portion of the fans :grin:

Interesting… I still like him the most probably, a lot precisely because of the performance.

I won’t pass judgement on Trevor until I actually play the game myself, but from what I’ve seen in walkthroughs, there’s more to him than meets the eye. Although he seems mostly annoying…

SC is one of those series where I care both for the gameplay and story (I enjoy a political thriller, Clanceyesque or not), but also for the characters (namely Sam, Lambert, and Grim), which is where Conviction fucked up royally in my book and Blacklist continues with it. But at least Blacklist compensates with fun gameplay… (Have to pretend it’s a parallel universe though…)

Yeah, no argument there. The accommodation of different playstyles was a great addition, and Grimsdottir’s missions were pure stealth pleasure (whereas Charlie’s were absolute trash).

But surely those few people who played it loved it :joy:

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Don’t tell me how to do my job

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That said we would prefer if users stuck to editing their original post, instead of creating multiple in a row.

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it played like an absolute dream though. multiplayer was ace too.

glad they went the revisionist route rather than try and emulate sam lake. they would’ve failed spectacularly. max payne 1 & 2 are my all-time favs (along with hitman and hotline miami) and, barring some issues with the story and how they handle bullet-time meter recoup, it’s a very fine game indeed.

speaking of “boring cynical slogs of extreme pornographic violence and hardcore misogyny”, how’s the new cyberpunk 2077 patch…?

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oh, i didn’t take it that way. this bit:

sounds like obi-wan in roj, i think?

certainly can be. he’s quite… an acquired taste. a bit of a dig at the players in some ways.

i can’t remember them. :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

i mean, yeah, i… just… uh

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i get that reference.

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You clearly never played Rockstar Games Presents Table Tennis.

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The best bit of the game was the throwback to New Jersey because at least that reminded you how good the other games by Remedy were!

Good! It made one of the best games in recent years even better and even with its missteps it’s still nowhere near as hateful towards women as Max Payne 3. I mean it actually has women in a speaking role that don’t die for another character’s manpain ;D

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Ahh, ok. I’m not a SW fan, so that one flew completely by me… :grin:

Indeed, they are best left forgotten :expressionless:

Regarding MP3, the only thing I genuinely hated about it (aside from Social Club) was the abundance of cutscenes over gameplay. It seemed like you had one after every room of baddies you cleared… Even Kojima lets you play more! :laughing:

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you’re going to go with “my problematic media is less problematic than yours”…? :rofl:

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this can’t be argued. the fact that some were completely unskippable was ludicrous.

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Being less hateful towards women is sadly a notable feature in video games .

Yeah. Not saying Cyberpunk is perfect in this regard cause it isn’t, but because it’s primarily character driven story there’s lots of well fleshed out female characters. The storyline involving What happens to Evelyn could very easily have gone into the usual gross gamer territory but it was handled about as well as it could have been. It made you care about them and the characters involved in that situation.

The only female characters I remember in Max Payne 3 are all airheads who Max and the audience hates but has to protect, or they get kidnapped/die/do something unforgivable to make Max angrier and more “righteous” in his indiscriminate massacring of entire favelas.

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I dunno, i think ‘my chosen media is problematic but at least it’s not as problematic as yours’ is a bit of a weird hill to occupy, especially when both games have many additional issues besides their misogyny.

as an argument it seems to imply some scoreable/measureable meteric when the fact is they’re both rank with misogyny.

dude, it’s a game that pretty much uses dead and/or naked women as set decoration. every illegal ripper doc. every billboard.

evelyn isn’t even a great example of a female character being treated well or sensitively either.

evelyn’s a walking noir-trope; basically a femme fatale which stems from very, very old archetypes that embody (unfounded) adolescent male fears of sex, the rejection of motherhood, and the (supposed) duplicitous ‘nature’ of sexualised women.

they don’t even try to undermine any of that: we first meet her in a strip club while we’re get a virtual lap dance. she’s all cool and in control until we get to ride her memories where we find she’s scared of a big dude (who is, to be fair, fucking horrifying), referred to as “fuckable meat”, and then uses sex to betray another man. she then tries to tempt you into betraying yet another guy. next we see her, she’s all battered up. time after that, she’s dead.

don’t get me wrong, i’m making zero excuses for how the entire max payne trilogy treats women (bottom-line: it’s fucked up and i find it troubling), but giving cyberpunk credence because a couple of the bigger characters are handled well or “as well as could be” (and, let’s be fair, because you like it) while simultaneously calling out misogyny in max payne (that you don’t seem to like for additional reasons - possibly r* related? - on top of its gross misogyny) seems like a bit of a double standard from where i’m sitting… or am i being crazy?

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