Adding a "Supporter Pack" ideas:

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The community has been asking for years to bring back all elusive targets and keep them in the game at all times, with the ability to replay them. The community has also been asking for years for “unobtainable” items to make a come back. IOI has so far been adamant in “not changing” their approach to elusive targets and “loyalty” items, such as this one:

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But we must not stay silent with the desire to be able to 100% the game and obtain everything it offers.The IOI approach has not been great, to be fair, to the new players or to switch 2 users, but long-playing users often want something to be appreaciated. But there can be tons of compromises, and this idea is one of them.
The “supporter pack” would be an expensive pack (let’s say 25 bucks…or something) which would greatly benefit the developers and keep the game better supported, but would e.g. consist of the following:

  1. ability to replay any elusive target that has been released in previous years (maybe not the current one, because the current year will be made replayable, as always, in winter) - but with a countdown…let’s say 1 ET every day
  2. ability to replay failed elusive targets, but e.g. 1 failed ET attempt every week
  3. ability to reset completed ETs so that they could be replayed and e.g. silent assassin attempted, just like ET arcade and escalations can be reset - but again, once reset, only 1 per day could be attempted, as stated in point 1
  4. ability to receive the aluminium briefcase, the ICA commendable, superior and outstanding performance coins, as well as the black winter suit, after completing e.g 6, 8, 10, 12 and 15 ETs on silent assassin, respectively.
  5. ability to receive past twitch and tiktok drops by simply connecting your account to these platforms
  6. getting platform exclusive/pre-order bonus suits not available by any other means (such as signature pack, quack pack, blue and green streak suits)
    -or, of course, any combination or inspiration of the above.

This would allow completionists to 100% everything possible in the game without dramatically altering the functionality so far, without the FOMO approach in a single player game.

Additionally, the need for a disruptor to be either removed or replaced is real. It’s been removed for half a year and new players are prevented from 100% completion on Isle of Sgail map, as well as there are 3 empty slots for disruptor items. Bear in mind that I am saying this as a person who does have the disruptor pack. Examples: replacing Connor McGregor with other celebrity, or removing everything alltogether and giving an upcoming pack “for free” to the owners of this pack.

So, how would “loyal” players that were old enough in 2016 to know about and play Hitman 2016, benefit from all that? They would receive the contents of this pack for free…or they would get a discount of some sort.

Would you guys agree with such an idea? Would you have other ideas? And would you purchase this supporter pack?

  • Agree to most ideas
  • Agree to some ideas
  • Disagree to most ideas
  • Don’t care
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I honestly don’t see why we should pay 25 $ or 25 € just to gain access to content, that is already in the game. If it were new content, that IOI had to spend money on to create, then your proposition would make more sense to me. But 25 € just for IOI to make things that already exist available more frequently, that’s a no from me.

Regarding ETs I would like IOI to make all of them them available at any time and allow players to reset them as often as they want. The beauty of Hitman are the incredibly detailed sandbox-type levels, that allow all of kinds of different approaches. Think of the new Banker ET, which has so many different paths that can be taken. We should be able to explore those opportunites freely without any arbitrary time constraints.

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It’s not that you don’t “see” why - you just don’t like the idea and you disagree with it - and that’s perfectly fine. They added freelancer for free, they give us new stuff and challenges continuously throughout the year, including CelebrETs and roadmaps. You paid once in the past for new stuff to get for free in the future. Yes, we do get these packs (undying, splitter, drop, banker, and the now removed disruptor), which are pretty cheap all things considered, and which are basically the only thing that keeps them going/funded.

It’s a supporter’s pack for a reason - you pay them extra for what you’ve received so far - 3 full games of content and continuous updates and support - and you get some stuff that you are not able to get anymore. If you’ve been here for years, you get this pack for “free”, or with a great discount, as a token of gratitude, whereas everyone else will have a chance to officially get the items that are unavailable - albeit by paying extra.

Yes, I agree, it would have been much better if ETs were permanent and if we got all the stuff available for free, but they have stated multiple times that ETs will be recurring and that loyalty items will stay as “loyalty items”. Also, we CAN explore the new banker and all its paths in ET arcade, but we cannot unlock celebrity specific suits or ET suits in ET arcade.

If you don’t want to pay them extra and you want the stuff, then play it on peacock servers, and you’ll unlock everything anyway.

And this idea comes precisely because everything else is already in the game implemented, so the devs would not need to do something extra, and you would not be deprived of any content other than cosmetics if you did not buy this pack.

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I own Hitman 2016 GotY, Hitman 2 Gold and everything that you can or could purchase for Hitman 3 except for the newly released Banker DLC. If you do the math, that’s a lot of money, that I spent on these games over the years. I do think, that IOI have been handsomely compensated for their work and I happily paid for all of that, because I think it was worth it.

If you one the other hand think, that’s not enough and want to support more, then that’s great. Knock yourself out. Maybe ask IOI if they accept donations.

It is true, that the ET Arcade allows for a bit more exploration than the regular time-limited ETs. But it’s still a terrible compromise. If you want to try something risky and fail, the Arcade locks you out of the mission for some hours, which is very discouraging and the opposite of fun. You’ve mentioned Peacock yourself. That’s how ETs should be done. But unfortunately, Peacock is only available for us PC players, which is robs console players of the freedom to play the game as they see fit.

If you’re asking for improvements of the game and are willing to pay for them, why still ask for limitations like only one ET per day or being able to replay failed ETs only once a week? Just because IOI have said so in the past? That doesn’t make sense to me. Before the ET Arcade was released, IOI’s stance was that ETs would only be playable, when IOI activates them. That’s something that’s changed. Unfortunately, just not enough.

I’d be willing to pay for new content. But not for removing limitations on content, that has already been created. A completely new map, that you need to purchase as a DLC? I’m up for that.

You’re right.

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Oh, I’m definitely with you, no way around that. I enrolled at uni in 2015 AND started working 30 hrs a week as well (a programmer/developer here), so I haven’t really played games until I completed my studies in 2023 - there was no time for that. Then embarked on a journey to finish all my games, and maybe get a few new ones after I was done. Point is, I own absolution, but I only came back to gaming in 2023 and bought hitman in 2024, so I missed everything Hitman offered up to that point.

You definitely spent a lot of money - and thus you would deserve this pack for free, in my opinion. But what can we completionists do, if we missed our marks? And with a singleplayer game and not some MMORPG, that is? Denmark is an expensive country to live in, and programmers usually make more money than other professions, so what you spent on Hitman over the years, would probably consist of 3-4 restaurant visits in Denmark… I 100% agree that ETs should be done like in Peacock, and all unlockables should be available to us. And yes, I’d LOVE if they did it immediately and asap.

But I am a realist - a lot of people, me included, would like to support the devs and keep the content coming, but a small donation with nothing in return is not the way. I fear that hitman might be nearing the end of its life cycle in 2025, or before the 007 is released, and then all ETs might become available forever (hopefully), but wouldn’t it be better if we got a supporter pack option and extended hitman’s lifecycle? The playerbase is not negligible, but it could be much better. Bigger games got discontinued much earlier than this one.

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And so…something, at least something, to let us unlock the “meaningless” cosmetics that are not available anymore, is necessary. I believe that you DO own the black winter suit, don’t you? Would you like if we got the option to get it for free, would you rather if we did not get it at all, or would you be fine if the newer players had to pay for it in some way, just like you have?

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If Hitman 3 is abandoned eventually, IOI must make it so, that it can still be played in all its glory without the need of a permanent server connection. Anything else would be a betrayal of their loyal fan base. I’m also hoping that ETs become available permanently like you said.

As I mentioned before, I’m willing to pay for meaningful new content, like for example brand new maps. A new paid DLC map would be fine for me. If you want to pay for a supporter pack, then sure do that, if IOI ever implement it.
Personally, I wouldn’t buy it. I’d like to see, what I’m getting before I pay for it. So buying a supporter pack with unclear future benefits is not for me. Moreover, I don’t think the content itself, that I would be getting from the pack, is worth that much money.

I do think people should be able to obtain every cosmetic item in game, if they want to. If these items already exist and were free in the past, they should ideally be free again. I even think a small purchase of say 5 € would be fair.

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Well, exactly, a new content like a new map does not negate old content. And you wouldn’t need to buy it either - just like you wouldn’t need to buy a supporter’s pack - which you said you wouldn’t buy. That was precisely the point of the post I made - something extra that you would not need to buy, but what would give you just a marginal advantage if you did - and what would let you catch up on the missed content. 5 Euro for a cosmetic from 2017 or so, is probably a very small price given the “loyalty” of longtime fans. Also, would you split the new twitch/tiktok drops for another 5 euro, if people miss it, or would you include that in the 5 euro?

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I voted “Agree to most ideas”. I actually really like this idea about old missable content. I own most of it and and would still gladly buy the pack because of the three ICA Coins and the Black Winter Suit… except for one problem - the price you suggested (25 bucks).

I think 25 is too much. I don’t know what the price should be, but it shouldn’t be that. If the hypothetical DLC includes everything you mentioned, maybe 10 bucks max. Even that may be pushing it depending on what a player already owns and how much they want the items/ability to replay ETs.

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Maybe a compromise between @Jan1 and @jan342 can be reached in this hypothetical DLC. IF (and I mean IF) it would include a new map (preferably a brand new snow map - since it comes with the Black Winter Suit), and maybe a Bonus Mission on a snow covered Berlin, I might be willing to pay the original suggested price of 25 (assuming it comes with ALL the loyalty items). If the Berlin Bonus Mission would be a no-go in the hypothetical DLC, then 15 bucks would be reasonable (to me at least).

I would buy a new snow map and would pay a little more if it came with every loyalty item and the ability to replay missed ETs.

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Sorry for the double post, but I did want to clarify that I actually agree with both of you. That’s why I added the edit to my original comment. Sometimes ideas need feedback, sothat ideas can be improved and a compromise making both parties happy and the feedback can be used to reach a compromise, making the original idea even better.

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I am also not super happy of that idea. Either you think the ET concept is good and has to be that way, then you do not offer a way to get around it with money, or you just make it available for everyone. Either by making these things free or the ETs become generally paid content with the accessibility as you described it. And the latter sounds even worse now that I typed that out. :sweat_smile:

“I buy xyz to support IO” also loses it’s charm the bigger IO becomes and the more studios it opens. It seems we are past the point where you pay a coffee for the eager devs that way. :thinking:

@jan171.5

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Oh, the ET concept is interesting, but extremely limiting. The idea is that you get “stressful” situation that gives you basically a one shot at doing your job right…BUT…ALT F4 works, so does disconnecting your internet, or in the worst case, people will instead follow an internet guide instead of completing it as intended.

Furthermore, ETs have been recurring basically every year, right?

So having a timer that would let you play one a day gives you a similar incentive as them being rare. Otherwise, having a “missed” or “failed” in your profile, etched forever, just because you did not bail out with ALT F4,didn’t follow a guide but tried to do it yourself, or because you joined “late”, is absolutely horrible…and the community has been basically in universal agreement.

Also, the developers took a long time developing these missions, so a replayabiliy is a nod to them, compared to rarity.

However, this was simply one idea…Developers usually follow the principe “a customer does not know what they want” and will alter the ideas to their liking. But what is the CORE need we’ve been begging for, is that there should be a permanent availability of some sort to complete ETs, unlock all the available content, and not see “failed” or “missed” on your profile, forever.

Making it available to everyone for free? Perfect. So, what about a different idea: this supporter pack reduces the time that is required to reset these contracts to half, whereas a standard user would have the aforementioned time limit, as well as the supporter pack gives users the ability to get a content they missed?

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Oh yeah, customers will always want something for as little as possible, while developers will often want as much as possible :smiley: There are supporter packs for 60 bucks in some games…so 25 isn’t really THAT much, but precisely that’s why I’ve made this post - to discuss this. We just need a way to get unobtainable items back into play, one way or another - and we gotta keep pushing:)

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I think ET Arcade is the middle ground between keeping ETs as-is and fulfilling the player’s wish to replay ETs. A third way to modify your access makes this, negatively put, yet another attempt after two failed ones. It also plays weirdly when put next to the individual ET pack you can buy that is also another different content. Which makes your idea sum it to four different things around elusive targets.

I think I would prefer if each of these ET packs you can buy actually offers the ET as an Special Assignment mission. Then this only changes one paid content and does not add another confusing layer into the store site we complain about since the beginning of the trilogy.

That does not work for the “simple” ETs of course.

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Yes, but we’ve been asking for years for ETs to be made permanently available, and so far the 2 attempts as you said - ETs themselves and the arcade - have been perceived negatively, but the devs refuse to change them. How do we keep pushing without sounding repetitive?

I think that having all ETs as special assignments would be by far the best approach, yes, with ET arcade scrapped and the ET arcade unlocks moved to targets themselves. Are we gonna get that? I hope so…

But then there is the problem with unobtainable items. Elusive targets by themselves can be completed on every location if you wait long enough, or if you replay them in winter. But special items (such as the Disruptor shorts, the aforementioned loyalty items, platform specific items, or disruptor pack items in general) cannot - unless we use peacock. How do we solve that?

Hence ideas of support packs come to mind.

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While combatglue was streaming on TikTok just now, someone asked about the Black Winter Suit.

He said its something he’s pushing for.

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I asked (about loyalty items in general, that one was just an example) and he said to keep it to ourselves. Delete this before someone in power notices and decides to give us something different, again! :grimacing::zipper_mouth_face:

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I just don’t logistically understand a supporter pack.

What’s the incentive for this to exist? And how does this really incentivize people who actively play the game, transferred their progression, and have just about every unlock in the game.

My point is why make an arbitrary “supporter pack” when the items were unlocked for free or provide content that should be in a QoL update.

The way they’ve been going about it has been perfectly fine it’s a matter on if they decide to create the challenge and unlock for it.

The packs they released have been for premium content, the idea presented feels unnecessary.

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@Swangtheugly your reply sounds like you did not reat the post itself, let alone the comments in here, because otherwise, you’d see answers to all your questions.

quite literally the answers are:

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Once again, the core problem is to make everything available for new players, and remove the “failed” and “missed” spots on our profiles.It’s a single player game, not an MMORPG or free to play MP game that relies on this marketing. So this supporter pack idea is just one to throw into a bucket.

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I did read it.

And it sounds like the idea presented seems unnecessary in the grand scheme of things.

The idea of a “supporter pack” only really benefits people who have either hopped between consoles, or picked up Hitman after said content released initially.

The idea of presenting a Paid For pack of content comprised of things initially released for Free for the players has no place existing within this game and just opens the door on what they can get away with in the future.

You’re actively presenting an idea that makes what should be Quality of Life Features locked behind a paywall.

IO’s practices and how they handle premium content should remain the same. Pushing that needle just to get Legacy Unlocks, permanent access to elusive targets, and other features that have been requested for years all for the price of $25 is wrong. And this is coming from someone who at one point actively stood behind not re releasing the ICA Coins, Black Winter Suit, and travel briefcase.

IOI implementing these things in content updates is the way many would prefer these things come back to the playerbase since these updates are largely for free outside of the few instances of Celeb ET Target Arcades which again are premium content.

This content was given for free and should remain free, quality of life features for the sake of the games long term health should be free and not gate kept cause not everyone can afford to drop $25 believe it or not.

Release the Coins in Challenge Packs
Release the Black winter suit in a challenge that’s challenging enough to keep the items notoriety intact.
Make ET replayable but you have a 12 hour in game counter til you can replay it.

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We’ve been begging for that literally for years. Instead of being repetitive, maybe we might throw around other ideas? I made this not because I expected it to be taken seriously, I made this thread to throw around further ideas and to maybe spark some new ideas for the devs.

As for another supporter pack: nothing in the world is free. This game has been supported for a long time, which is great! Take a look at how expensive the 7 deadly sins are - and they are basically what paid for the freelancer and other stuff. So a supporter pack is to support the devs and keep new roadmaps coming, but also to give supporters something back. That’s it. The price I mentioned is also just thrown around.

Believe it or not, that’s literally the idea of a supporter pack. If you cannot afford it, you will still get new items and challenges in the future, but you won’t get legacy and loyalty items. As for the ideas, you will still play returning ETs, but you won’t play the past ones from year 2…easy. And then there’s still peacock. If you can’t afford any packs, just play on peacock…and get most of the stuff for free.

Yep, a terrible approach. It’s a single player game, it makes logically no sense to make items unobtainable. “I paid for this before you were born, I deserve to own it and you don’t - i want to feel exclusivity and have rare items in possession”. I have the “rare” disruptor pack and it genuinely pains me that people cannot 100% isle of sgail, unlock freelancer cosmetics, and now have 3 empty slots in there because they did not buy it in time.