Ambrose Island - Pre-release Discussion

Hitman: World of Assassination Ambrose Island
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The contract was to kill the Shadow Client and destroy his militia. Edwards says to the Partners that Janus is dead, and Lucas Grey will soon be joining him. This indicates that the contract was not over with Janus’s death, just seen as winding down. If any part of the militia was still operating, which is what the Ambrose mission seems to indicate, then they’d be beholden to their contract with Providence to take it out.

Besides, it’s unlikely that for two months 47 and Diana didn’t perform some regular contracts to make it seem with ICA that everything was more or less normal again. 47 was getting work every other week at that point, I doubt he and Diana just going silent and saying no to incoming work would have gone over well. The Siberian sniper map comes to mind, as I’m pretty sure 47 performed that hit shortly before isle of Sgail; it was the right time of year for snowstorms in Russia a s everything.

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That’s prettty speculative; in terms of any leads on finding the shadow client after “no sighting” in Brașov or Berlin, it seemed like a dead-end. They would have depended on ICA analysts telling them about the Andaman cell, and that somehow leads to finding Grey? The Maelstrom and the Crows represented the militia’s eastern power, so I don’t think these guys had direct contact with Grey. Only Delgado, the Maelstrom and possibly Knox had contact with Grey, and that was because they had very important roles: Knox provided the technological and surveillance boost, Delgado smuggling and travelling, and the Maelstrom and his followers cut-throat Providence member killers. What is, or was, the role of these pirates, that is so important as to potentially establish a link and location of Grey? If it’s purely to destroy the militia, the logic of the deception was that their leader, their sole global connection and puppeteer was gone, so maybe by then, in order to keep that appearance up, because maybe the ICA had bugged the island earlier, Grey had to stop contacting them, so they must assume they’ve failed, won’t receive whatever motivated them to join the militia in the first place, and thus gone back to their day. Why take them out then, if not purely out of spite? How does removing even more ties to the elusive shadow client help to track him down?

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It doesn’t help to track him down, but it helps to eliminate the last of the militia. As far as ICA and Providence know, any remaining militia members may want to continue on Janus’s work. The contract was to destroy the militia, and as we know, 47 and Diana follow through to the end.

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I guess tying loose ends makes sense, but I feel like the ICA would go back to stage one and, like Colorado, attempt to gain intel on the shadow client, and the safest bet for that is to wait it out and see if they attempt to contact him, instead of breaking it all up immediately. If there are cells all over the world, wouldn’t it make more sense to temporarily spare one that has the potential of bringing them all down, rather than spending who knows how long tracking down each and every part of the militia before they go underground again, in the vain hope he might turn up in one of them, like how they suspected Rose was the shadow client back in Colorado?

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I’m pretty sure ICA have enough faith in Diana and 47 that they’re willing to take them at their word for now and trust that they know what they’re doing. They’ve been making them a shit-ton of money on this arrangement with Providence, and their results are indisputable, I think they’d be willing to let them just do their thing and not question it. At least until Edwards showed them otherwise.

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I had already forgotten what it was like waiting for new Hitman maps, the last time was in January 2021.

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I thought we’d have some more details on the timeline of it by now, but I suppose it adds more to it for when we play! :+1:t2:

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Hitman forum logic when it comes to Hitman lore.

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There’s no confirmation of that, but It wouldn’t be contradictory to anything tbh.

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Hence why I choose to think it happens then, especially since, if we assume the sniper maps take place in the order they occur, and Kovak didn’t wait very long to try to cash in on the loot, the Himmelstein mission has to take place before the end of H1 (I’m ballparking it at after Patient Zero but before Freedom Fighters, while their waiting for ICA analysts to find the Shadow Client), then the Hantu Port mission takes place probably after the Miami mission while, again, waiting for ICA and Providence to give them a lead, and then Siberia during the wait before isle of Sgail. It’s possible that they all take place before the main storyline and Kovak just waited forever to cash in, but I prefer to think they happen during.

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My headcanon is that the three sniper missions were done by Knight and Stone, Patient Zero happened pre WoA and Elusive Target characters exist but haven’t necessarily been killed and definitely not by 47.

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Las vegas its from the old games (2006)
like you say Russia was … (contract and SA)
I think Russia proper map like old hitman could be nice with this graphics engine, or at least East Europe (the place that 47 came from🤪)

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Knight and Stone aren’t canon, and at best, did the sniper missions alongside 47 and they took out the bodyguards on those maps while 47 took out the main targets. Patient Zero takes place between Club 27 and Freedom Fighters. Most ETs are not canon, but those that are take place before WoA.

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Do you have any proof that Knight and Stone aren’t canon and why PZ is where you say it is? Which ETs in your opinion are canon?

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Well, for one, there’s no place for them to fit into the story, they were introduced solely for multiplayer purposes and that is decommissioned while 47 is still playable in sniper. Ergo, the sniper missions are 47’s missions. The mobile Shadows game’s canonicity is questionable because of the timeline.

PZ takes place shortly after Club 27 because firstly, Diana tells 47 “Welcome back,” at the start of the mission, which she does not in any others that I recall, indicating that he was very recently just there. The suite where Cross’s crew were recording their album still has equipment there, but nobody doing anything, indicating the mood is somber. There is also an NPC in the wing of the hotel who mentions that Jordan had died that morning, indicating that 47 completed the first Bangkok mission that morning, left, Nabazov’s cult arrived and set up their stuff in the other suite for the rest of the day, and by night, 47 is back at the hotel for his new contract on them, which ties in to Diana’s greeting. They’ve set up fast because Ken Morgan was not going to be staying at his suite long, he just wanted to meet with Dexy and finish everything, so that covers why the cult is already prepared to set up their gallery so quickly.

The campaign takes place over the course of the next few days, about week, and so by the time they are done, the thing with Thomas Cross happens, and then nine days later Freedom Fighters, giving the militia enough time to tear down that tower 47 sniped their infected members from after they realized where they were shot from, hence it’s absence in FF, and gives GAMA time to put away all the stuff they had set up for Owen Cage by the time 47 gets there.

Most Paris and Sapienza ETs are fine as they take place pre-WoA (Dalia and Viktor likely hold shows and auctions every year), but no indication that they actually happened, and the Marrakesh ones are iffy, but possible I’d we assume that there was a different riot outside the embassy when Strandberg was first arrested after his scheme was exposed, and the one that happens later is a different riot that happens about a year later when he’s busted out. The Bookkeeper can’t be canon because it explicitly mentions the Shadow Client, but 47 was only ever in Colorado in relation to the Shadow Client in FF (the times in PZ and S6 were for different reasons and before they even knew what that militia there was about), and no indication that Grey kept his forces on that farm after 47 killed Rose and Co…

The Stowaway and the Appraiser can’t be canon because 47 only went to Isle of Sgail once, so they are out. The Revolutionary might be possible before WoA. The Undying may have happened since he’s later mentioned in Mendoza, but the Undying Returns is likely not canon because that would imply 47 failed, which he does not do, so that one was just for us players. While most of the H3 ETs may have happened, the Procurers is patently impossible, because of the death of Zachary Carlisle.

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Good answer to PZ but honestly it is so ridiculous to me that 47 would go back and forth in between the location he had previously been at so my headcanon is that it takes place somewhere else and the references is more for us players. Colorado is especially jarring. No way that the Militia haven’t been using that farm as a base of operations for atleast a couple of months judging from Grey’s bomb shelter. I think they have been using it since after Marrakesh when Grey raided the New York vault and probably had recruited many more people.

If PZ canonically is set where and when it is then I suppose it is still more believable than ETs being canon though I have already written in detail why no ET is canon so I won’t repeat it here but I will say that I have heard it confirmed that it is either non-canon or alternate timelines from IO in either a interview or livestream. Take that as you will as I can’t prove it currently.

Knight and Stone not fitting in to the story is a bad argument though having them not exist is an okay headcanon just not something you can state as a fact.

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The fact that you can argue that some ETs aren’t canon because IO haven’t taken into consideration certain story elements when makes those ETs proves to me that no ETs were created with the main story in mind. ETs are supposed to be fun challenges with interesting characters and they did not care if they fit into the story at all. However some ETs have been referenced in the main story leading me to believe the characters themselves existing even though we didn’t kill them and possibly not being killed at all.

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If one counts Sarajevo Six, and I do, 47 had been to Sapienza five times in three years, three of them in the same year, so it’s not out of the question for 47 to keep going back to three places that are hotbeds off criminal activity that his various clients keep having stakes in. As for Colorado, again, counting S6 as part, 47 was there at least six months, I’d not more, prior to FF, so the militia had been there a while, ICA just didn’t know it’s significance until they learned of the Shadow Client, which led to 47’s third visit there.

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It is not the ICA’s fault the badies have to share locations.

On the plus side Providence saved enough money that way to build the Burj Al-Ghazali a few metres higher.

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