# Fast Times at Vegan High **URL:** \ **Category:** Off-Topic\ **Created:** [May 18, 2024, 11:29am UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/fast-times-at-vegan-high/21246 "2024-05-18T11:29:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![schatenjager](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/schatenjager/32/128982_2.png) [@schatenjager](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/schatenjager)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 6:09pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/fast-times-at-vegan-high/21246/22 "2024-05-18T18:09:41Z")
Well, I am not afraid of death. I think Mark Twain said something like “I was dead for a billion years before I was born, why should I fear the billion years after I die?” ---
**Author:** ![pissfloyd](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/pissfloyd/32/102459_2.png) [@pissfloyd](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/pissfloyd)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 6:14pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/fast-times-at-vegan-high/21246/23 "2024-05-18T18:14:10Z")
I’m 32. If I was dying now, I’d be terrible afraid and distressed. Hopefully, I’ll get to live to an age where I welcome death. ---
**Author:** ![Heisenberg](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/heisenberg/32/143140_2.png) [@Heisenberg](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Heisenberg)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 6:42pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/fast-times-at-vegan-high/21246/24 "2024-05-18T18:42:48Z")
> [@Are you afraid of your own mortality?](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/are-you-afraid-of-your-own-mortality/21217/68): > > I’m 32. If I was dying now, I’d be terrible afraid and distressed. Hopefully, I’ll get to live to an age where I welcome death. There’s something we agree on. I hope I can at least live long enough where I won’t mind it. I doubt it, but I have hope. > [@scat1620](#): > > I, for one, cannot wait for the long and protracted veganism debate that will see @Heisenberg write several essays sidetracking the thread. ![image](https://hitmanforum-v6-s3-uploads.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/original/3X/8/a/8a4fe1c16b018feebeb0402c72e9238f011bed10.gif) ---
**Author:** ![pissfloyd](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/pissfloyd/32/102459_2.png) [@pissfloyd](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/pissfloyd)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 6:47pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/fast-times-at-vegan-high/21246/25 "2024-05-18T18:47:26Z")
> [@Are you afraid of your own mortality?](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/are-you-afraid-of-your-own-mortality/21217/66): > > Good job picking and choosing which points to pay attention to. I think we have a different definition of what “feeling” and “pain” means. The article you posted says that they lack nerves and brains, so they don’t feel pain. I agree with that. That you have some arbitrary idea that plants may “feel” things in their own way is all up to you, that’s not what I’m arguing against. They react to stimuli, that’s the scientific consensus. > [@Are you afraid of your own mortality?](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/are-you-afraid-of-your-own-mortality/21217/66): > > I support the eating of animals; I do not support the conditions in which they are bred, raised, and treated in preparation for that. In my opinion, if you buy something, you’re supporting it. You may not like how it’s produced, but by putting money towards it and consuming it, you’re supporting the practice. It would be like me saying I don’t support X and then buy products from a company that takes part in X. > [@Are you afraid of your own mortality?](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/are-you-afraid-of-your-own-mortality/21217/66): > > Killing an animal is sometimes necessary, and eating them is also necessary. Killing animals can sometimes be deemed necessary, sure. Eating them is entirely unnecessary as proven by the countless people who don’t partake in it. > [@Are you afraid of your own mortality?](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/are-you-afraid-of-your-own-mortality/21217/66): > > I said humans do not get the full benefit of a diet consisting of only plants. I heard you and responded accordingly by telling you that we actually do. > [@Are you afraid of your own mortality?](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/are-you-afraid-of-your-own-mortality/21217/66): > > It is just not the full spectrum of nutrition that we need. You even confirm as such with what you said about taking supplements. Categorically false. I even went as far as to explain you that B12 has nothing to do with meat vs plants, and becomes “problematic” because we wash produce and therefore wash away the B12 producing bacteria. Consider the supplement as part of the diet the same way you should probably consider supplementing D vitamin during winter. And on that note, studies have shown that many omnivore people may also have B12 deficiency so it’s probably a good idea to supplement it anyway. > [@Are you afraid of your own mortality?](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/are-you-afraid-of-your-own-mortality/21217/66): > > A mouthful of meat from a healthy animal can carry as much as a hundred times the nutrition as, say, a belly full of lettuce. And why are you comparing meat to lettuce? > [@Are you afraid of your own mortality?](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/are-you-afraid-of-your-own-mortality/21217/66): > > What you’re not explaining is how that avoids causing plants pain. Whether we have animals eat them or do it ourselves directly, it doesn’t avoid anything of the sort. Because that’s not the premise of the argument. The fact you’re dancing around it and refuse to realise that feeding and growing crops to raise a cow for 18 months requires much more plant “suffering” than just eating plants directly, makes me think you’re arguing in bad faith? Again, if one cared about and wanted to minimize the “suffering” of plants, that person should become a vegan. > [@Are you afraid of your own mortality?](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/are-you-afraid-of-your-own-mortality/21217/66): > > they are every bit as alive as animals. If one is going to argue a vegan lifestyle as an alternative for preserving life, they are doing no such thing. Living organisms are still dying for us to feed ourselves. They may be alive, but they’re not conscious which is what vegans care about. The last points you make about the puppy versus the lobster has nothing to do with what I asked you. I asked you if you equate you dogs to plants or only farm animals. To which you answered > [@Are you afraid of your own mortality?](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/are-you-afraid-of-your-own-mortality/21217/63): > > > [@Heisenberg](#): > > > > I’m not as emotionally invested in some animals any more than I am for plants This is what’s weirding me out. ---
**Author:** ![Heisenberg](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/heisenberg/32/143140_2.png) [@Heisenberg](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Heisenberg)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 6:52pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/fast-times-at-vegan-high/21246/26 "2024-05-18T18:52:07Z")
I’ve got plenty to retort on this, and believe me I want to, but we’re getting nowhere and convincing each other of nothing, and I don’t think either of us is really getting what the other is trying to say, so imma disengage this now and we can pick it up again later in a more appropriate topic if it comes up again. ---
**Author:** ![pissfloyd](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/pissfloyd/32/102459_2.png) [@pissfloyd](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/pissfloyd)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 6:56pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/fast-times-at-vegan-high/21246/27 "2024-05-18T18:56:38Z")
This is not me trying to convince you. I actually don’t care what _you_ specifically think. I’m engaging with you in the hopes that others might read and give veganism a second thought. You’re welcome to reply to me in a pm if you want. I’m bored out of my mind anyway, friend 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Heisenberg](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/heisenberg/32/143140_2.png) [@Heisenberg](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Heisenberg)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 7:03pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/fast-times-at-vegan-high/21246/28 "2024-05-18T19:03:05Z")
Sorry, I have very few pleasures in this world as it is. While I certainly want better conditions in the industry, giving up meat is not a sacrifice I am willing to make. ---
**Author:** ![pissfloyd](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/pissfloyd/32/102459_2.png) [@pissfloyd](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/pissfloyd)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 7:04pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/fast-times-at-vegan-high/21246/29 "2024-05-18T19:04:14Z")
fair enough ---
**Author:** ![Grim47](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/grim47/32/111811_2.png) [@Grim47](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Grim47)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 9:26pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/fast-times-at-vegan-high/21246/30 "2024-05-18T21:26:28Z")
I think being alive is so amazing that what mitigates my fear a lot is that no matter what happens im just thankful for the experience at all. I’m in awe! ---
**Author:** ![pissfloyd](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/pissfloyd/32/102459_2.png) [@pissfloyd](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/pissfloyd)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 9:54pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/fast-times-at-vegan-high/21246/31 "2024-05-18T21:54:02Z")
I too feel a lot of gratitude towards being alive. I reeaally wish I could get a glimpse into the future. What will video games look like in 500 years? Will we keep on the technology race or will it stagnate? What will humanity look like in general, will we eradicate war and hunger? Stop working 5 days a week? I’ll never know ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Urben](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/urben/32/155460_2.png) [@Urben](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Urben)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 10:48pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/fast-times-at-vegan-high/21246/32 "2024-05-18T22:48:55Z")
If technology stagnated you would not need to get a new PC or console every decade. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Heisenberg](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/heisenberg/32/143140_2.png) [@Heisenberg](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Heisenberg)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 2:18am UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/fast-times-at-vegan-high/21246/33 "2024-05-19T02:18:38Z")
I wish it would do that now. ---
**Author:** ![pissfloyd](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/pissfloyd/32/102459_2.png) [@pissfloyd](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/pissfloyd)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 10:57am UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/fast-times-at-vegan-high/21246/35 "2024-05-19T10:57:47Z")
based If you don’t eat vegan, you should watch this ❤ [![](https://hitmanforum-v6-s3-uploads.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/original/3X/f/7/f7136aa9ef3362d14c540a4fbf6d5074a603d993.jpeg "Dominion (2018) - full documentary [Official]") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko) ---
**Author:** ![Mini](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/mini/32/129844_2.png) [@Mini](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Mini)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 2:09pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/fast-times-at-vegan-high/21246/36 "2024-05-19T14:09:08Z")
Edit: sorry, I thought you posted earthlings. Please don’t post esrthlings 🥺 ---
**Author:** ![pissfloyd](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/pissfloyd/32/102459_2.png) [@pissfloyd](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/pissfloyd)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 2:26pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/fast-times-at-vegan-high/21246/37 "2024-05-19T14:26:22Z")
didn’t see what you said before the edit. here’s earthlings! [![](https://hitmanforum-v6-s3-uploads.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/original/3X/a/e/ae6c8a47006b9f78dc7d0b24735a5608ae822501.jpeg "Earthlings Documentary") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gqwpfEcBjI) ---
**Author:** ![Mini](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/mini/32/129844_2.png) [@Mini](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Mini)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 2:36pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/fast-times-at-vegan-high/21246/38 "2024-05-19T14:36:26Z")
This movie shouldn’t be posted without a trigger warning! And also some of the statements in the movie are crap. ---
**Author:** ![pissfloyd](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/pissfloyd/32/102459_2.png) [@pissfloyd](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/pissfloyd)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 2:36pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/fast-times-at-vegan-high/21246/39 "2024-05-19T14:36:50Z")
what statements in particular? ---
**Author:** ![Mini](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/mini/32/129844_2.png) [@Mini](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Mini)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 2:37pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/fast-times-at-vegan-high/21246/40 "2024-05-19T14:37:40Z")
Comaprisons from factory farming with the holocaust ---
**Author:** ![pissfloyd](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/pissfloyd/32/102459_2.png) [@pissfloyd](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/pissfloyd)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 2:40pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/fast-times-at-vegan-high/21246/41 "2024-05-19T14:40:14Z")
I’m certain most every one hold human life in higher regard than animal life but the comparison is obvious? Holocaust was atrocious. So is how we treat our fellow earthlings. ---
**Author:** ![Mini](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/mini/32/129844_2.png) [@Mini](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Mini)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 2:42pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/fast-times-at-vegan-high/21246/42 "2024-05-19T14:42:54Z")
But the aim of the Holocaust was to systematically exterminate an entire population group. Not a good comparison. [Previous page](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/fast-times-at-vegan-high/21246.md?page=1) [Next page](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/fast-times-at-vegan-high/21246.md?page=3)