# Freelancer Killed Hitman **URL:** \ **Category:** Freelancer\ **Created:** [May 16, 2023, 11:59pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/freelancer-killed-hitman/18812 "2023-05-16T23:59:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![thrison](https://www.hitmanforum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/838e76/32.png) [@thrison](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/thrison)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 6:12am UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/freelancer-killed-hitman/18812/41 "2023-06-06T06:12:33Z")
Even if they did increase Mastery Level, people that have continued to play Freelancer might just automatically get moved to whatever the new cap is. The other day I extracted my Player Profile from the servers and in the file with data on your mastery levels etc - instead of it saying I’m at level 100 for the Safehouse (which is what shows in-game), the servers consider me to be at Level 699. ![image](https://hitmanforum-v6-s3-uploads.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/original/3X/6/3/63fa8740f05d2dbc7eac39ad58466e5477a6c65a.png) So any potential increase is possibly not even going to result in me having do anything to reach the new maximum other than loading the Safehouse and watching the unlocks roll in. ---
**Author:** ![Dribbleondo](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/dribbleondo/32/143384_2.png) [@Dribbleondo](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Dribbleondo)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 12:13pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/freelancer-killed-hitman/18812/42 "2023-06-06T12:13:39Z")
> [@Courier6](#): > > Obviously in freelancer it comes off as a bit more formulaic due to the lower amount of base levels, as well as assassins, lookouts, members, and leaders not having the same amount of polish if it was solo entry instead of a FREE (I feel the need to remind everyone of that) product launched TWO YEARS after launch, and furthering our ability to get even more FREE content outside of its mode with new unlocks and stuff Being FREE does not excuse issues, especially since it’s in a PAID game. ---
**Author:** ![Fleur](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/fleur/32/737_2.png) [@Fleur](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Fleur)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 12:59pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/freelancer-killed-hitman/18812/43 "2023-06-06T12:59:35Z")
It kinda does though. Everything about Freelancer is an extra that could just not have been there. Getting all up in arms and antagonizing IO (like some people do) is entitled as fuck in that light. Not that we can’t discuss the problems, but saying that “Freelancer Killed Hitman”… Hours and hours of _additional_ (the main game is still there) cost-free content that was _never_ advertised anywhere at release. In principle, no developer has ever owed anyone an _issue_-free game. I think, in general, what is happening here is that a of player’s egos are getting hurt when playing Freelancer, and they need some place to direct that frustration… IO. ---
**Author:** ![Dribbleondo](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/dribbleondo/32/143384_2.png) [@Dribbleondo](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Dribbleondo)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 1:25pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/freelancer-killed-hitman/18812/44 "2023-06-06T13:25:42Z")
That’s fair, I can agree to that. It’s a corollary. Entitlement is not antagonising IOI to get what you want, but saying something is free does not absolve it from all issues it has. This is why I try to do constructive criticism, and while I’ve thrown a few barbs IOI’s way (I call their Freelancer tools blogpost “self-serving” and their website “horribly formatted” – because it is-- in my recent video on Freelancer), but those were done for very specific reasons I’d already detailed. And as should be obvious Freelancer **did not** kill Hitman. It’s stronger than ever. ---
**Author:** ![ResRattlesnake](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/resrattlesnake/32/9916_2.png) [@ResRattlesnake](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/ResRattlesnake)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 7:53pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/freelancer-killed-hitman/18812/45 "2023-06-06T19:53:13Z")
This is an updated post with further feedback… > [@ResRattlesnake](#): > > Freelancer killed Hitman for me. There are so many things that are wrong with it. The latest update did not improve the game experience. > > ---------\> Freelancer killed Hitman FOR ME! If you love it, Great! That’s fine with me that you love it so much. I know it brought new life to the game. I’m not striving for 100. I’ve learned from my mistakes from my failed hardcore runs. I’m better at it, but it’s still frustrating to fail a mission just because of a glitch, especially when the objective review has four green checkmarks indicating completion. > > Complaint List: > 01 - Hardcore - High Risk plus Mandatory Objective equals the Same Pay > -----\> Main Issue 1 - Run hardcore to get the same payouts as regular runs that don’t force objectives for success. I don’t believe anyone would work harder with forced job requirements needed before quitting time in real jobs for the same pay as those who don’t have to work as hard. Would you choose $10 per hour for an easy job and it doesn’t matter if you complete extra tasks or not, Or $10 per hour for the same position, but more difficult with a required task to be completed, and if uncompleted when finished, you don’t get paid for time spent? > > 02 - Arrange meetings do not count - PO fails every time > -----\> I don’t know the secret unlock for this one to get success. > > 03 - Lost special leader jingle > -----\> Trivial complaint. I didn’t pay attention to it since Day One. But those who relied on it lost an edge for their gameplay. > > 04 - PO eliminate with unsilenced pistol epic - There is only 1 epic (0 legendary) unsilenced pistol that I never got. The vendors only had it once or twice. Prioritized other weapons. I’m missing 3-4 pistols and haven’t seen it in ages. Why have this as an option? > ------\> Main Complaint 2 - I understand there is the possibility the required Only Epic Unsilenced Pistol would appear somewhere in the selected mission. The problem is I haven’t seen it in ages. Even the close app trick doesn’t make it spawn anywhere. I checked all boxes and vender each time, but nothing, yet the discovery of different items is still randomized. If the Epic Silence Pistol or Epic Silence Weapon appears, well, I have a lot more than ONE to choose from. > > 05 - PO use an explosive on safe - Can’t do this when there are NO locations with safes. Why have this as an option? > -----\> This still gives me one less option to choose from for a successful run in hardcore. Yes, we won’t get Leader/Lookout/Suspect objectives in members’ only missions. It shouldn’t be an option if there are NO safes to crack. > > 06 - Lost NPC silent pistols except Assassan’s > ----\> Yes, this was for balance and for more grinding at the same time. I do agree that there are more silenced weapons remaining than I realized… > > 07 - Lose more M using the stock market than gained. Lost more often, often repeatedly, than the rare wins > ----\> Yes, I know it is a gamble. Yes, I quit paying the Stock Market a long time ago. It’s not worth the time for grinding all the Mercers I lost. > > 08 - Less M from the Vault > ------\> I know this is for balance, AND it is ALSO for more grinding. And New York is rare. And why add lasers? Granted, it is for more challenge, but just go in and trigger the alarm, then wait for the coast to be clear to raid the vault. Moving Mercers to lockboxes added more grinding for the knives they replaced. > > 09 - Knives in lockboxes gone. > ----\> See above. > > 10 - SA by any means does not work for me - not skilled enough nor have the patience to be flawless, especially in hardcore. > ------\> Freelance is unpredictable, even using the close app trick. Granted, I noticed some lookouts and suspects in Miami have the same routes. However, I still get caught trying to be shady. I don’t want to put 10,000 hours into this game to know it like the back of my hand. I have other gaming interests. > > 11 - There are many other unfavorable “Quality of Life” updates for Freelancer > ----\> I’ve heard other complaints from those who lost their edge, and I have other trivial complaints. > > 12 - Most important - Perfect Run Prestige Objective - All objectives completed (with Headshot Kills Only still active at exit) - Hardcore Campaign FAILURE - Objective review had all 4 objectives with green checkmarks - I was 2 missions away from completing the whole campaign! > -----\> The I’m Done Complaint! The reason Freelancer killed Hitman FOR ME. If you can live with this frustration, then you do you, pal! > > I am DONE with Freelancer! The only HItman interest I have left are ETs and FCs. > ----\> Since I’m up-to-date on ETs and curated FCs, I have nothing to do but old FCs and shenanigans in story mode. I’m done with Freelancer, as I agree with taking a break from that mode. Hopefully, IOI fixes what is broken in Freelancer. ---
**Author:** ![Melusca](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/melusca/32/71788_2.png) [@Melusca](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Melusca)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 8:46pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/freelancer-killed-hitman/18812/46 "2023-06-06T20:46:15Z")
> [@ResRattlesnake](#): > > I understand there is the possibility the required Only Epic Unsilenced Pistol would appear somewhere in the selected mission. The problem is I haven’t seen it in ages. Even the close app trick doesn’t make it spawn anywhere. I checked all boxes and vender each time, but nothing, yet the discovery of different items is still randomized. If the Epic Silence Pistol or Epic Silence Weapon appears, well, I have a lot more than ONE to choose from. AFAIK you can’t get epics and legendaries from crates in levels, only commons and rares, and they’re, well, rare, so no need to scrounge for them if that’s what you’re looking for. You can get them in reward crates for defeating a syndicate leader though (and from vendors). Aside from that I don’t think Freelancer killed anything, although you could say that whenever I died during a playthrough it technically counts as “killing Hitman”. ---
**Author:** ![Patrick\_McColloch](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/patrick_mccolloch/32/118213_2.png) [@Patrick\_McColloch](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Patrick_McColloch)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 6:23pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/freelancer-killed-hitman/18812/47 "2023-06-12T18:23:17Z")
Either Freelancer isn’t canon OR everybody realized their life was a video game so they willingly do the same thing over and over again just to make us all bored so we stop playing so that the ratings will go down so that everybody can finally get back to living their own lives instead of catering to the demands of an alternate (OUR) universe. ---
**Author:** ![Heisenberg](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/heisenberg/32/143140_2.png) [@Heisenberg](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Heisenberg)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 8:17pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/freelancer-killed-hitman/18812/48 "2023-06-12T20:17:47Z")
Or, and hear me out on this, Freelancer _is_ canon, but IOI’s plan is still the rest of what you said there, but they failed and will still have to cater to the demands of our alternate universe. ---
**Author:** ![Lewisnic1](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/lewisnic1/32/145309_2.png) [@Lewisnic1](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Lewisnic1)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 8:53pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/freelancer-killed-hitman/18812/49 "2023-06-13T20:53:41Z")
> [@Dribbleondo](#): > > And as should be obvious Freelancer **did not** kill Hitman. It’s stronger than ever. Totally agree!! Freelancer has made Hitman III even better than it already was! I know many others agree, Freelancer in fact brought back one of the most loved things of the Franchise, that being 47’s Safehouse. I hope the Safehouse from Freelancer returns in the next big game! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Heisenberg](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/heisenberg/32/143140_2.png) [@Heisenberg](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Heisenberg)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 9:07pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/freelancer-killed-hitman/18812/50 "2023-06-13T21:07:26Z")
> [@Lewisnic1](#): > > Freelancer has made Hitman III even better than it already was! I don’t know if _this_ is necessarily true, but it has made it endlessly playable. ---
**Author:** ![XVincentHF\_1969](https://www.hitmanforum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/bbe5ce/32.png) [@XVincentHF\_1969](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/XVincentHF_1969)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2025, 5:46pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/freelancer-killed-hitman/18812/51 "2025-09-15T17:46:16Z")
Sorry to say, but in my opinion…. Freelancer has absolutely nothing in Common with Hitman. Even Not the Quality normally comes with a Game from IOI. Starting with the massive amount of Bugs, they playstyle, the ridiculous Missions, the Loss of everything, glitches where Things glitches Out of Map, getting spottet over the whole map…even through different floors. Where they hell ist the Quality, where ist really the Game. No Mission run as IT should, hyping a Game Mode for that…sorry crap? They havent fixed a single Bug till now, and they will not. For me personally playing Hitman since the GameCube….it is dead. Defintely dead. Like the Companys itself.And the day will come the Servers will switched off. But asking to buy 007 ist a bit ambitious…as they cannot fix a Game so long in the market and leaving all Bugs unsolved, not rethinking the whole Mode? Sorry , not a pence for 007. As IOI reacts like other companys now for quick Money…keep your Games…..farewell Hitman ---
**Author:** ![Count.Rushmore](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/count.rushmore/32/173_2.png) [@Count.Rushmore](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Count.Rushmore)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2025, 6:09pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/freelancer-killed-hitman/18812/52 "2025-09-15T18:09:08Z")
The bugs you have described are not specific to Freelancer. They are in the game for ages now ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Farmer](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/charlie_farmer/32/136175_2.png) [@Charlie\_Farmer](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Charlie_Farmer)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2025, 5:45am UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/freelancer-killed-hitman/18812/53 "2025-09-16T05:45:54Z")
> [@XVincentHF\_1969](#): > > the playstyle Oh… the many different play styles Hitman has advocated for a long time now (looking at the different score names if you play a certain way other than just Silent Assassin) those ones? Sure the gameplay is different, but at the core of it, you are just assassinating a set number of targets and leaving. Just like in every play style. ---
**Author:** ![Dribbleondo](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/dribbleondo/32/143384_2.png) [@Dribbleondo](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Dribbleondo)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2025, 2:11pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/freelancer-killed-hitman/18812/54 "2025-09-17T14:11:37Z")
> [@XVincentHF\_1969](#): > > Freelancer has absolutely nothing in Common with Hitman You assassinate targets with minimal casualties in a stealth puzzle. Freelancer very much fits that design. > [@XVincentHF\_1969](#): > > Starting with the massive amount of Bugs …most of which are not specific to Freelancer. > [@XVincentHF\_1969](#): > > they playstyle The playstyle is more freeform because the base game is so strict. By design, it’s aiming to get players thinking outside the box, and the demoting of S/A to a side objective proves this. It makes other playstyles much more coveted. > [@XVincentHF\_1969](#): > > the ridiculous Missions Welcome to RNG. Are they silly? Yes. Are they conforming to a puzzle that lest players work out how to complete them? Also yes. > [@XVincentHF\_1969](#): > > the Loss of everything If you bring items in with you, then I expect them to be lost if I fail a hit. That seems like a very reasonable punishment. It conforms to roguelike standards. Freelancer Tools being taken away however, is a well-documented issue players have had since inception as it makes the game slow to a crawl when you fail. > [@XVincentHF\_1969](#): > > getting spottet over the whole map…even through different floors Again, not specific to Freelancer, but yes, still very annoying To quote Clemens: ![screenshot_11263](https://hitmanforum-v6-s3-uploads.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/original/3X/5/1/51609f54e4a8dcc5c4e52edfb2574a1258d22ba9.jpeg) > [@XVincentHF\_1969](#): > > They havent fixed a single Bug till now That is a **bold** claim. And yes, they have fixed freelancer-specific bugs. > [@XVincentHF\_1969](#): > > For me personally playing Hitman since the GameCube….it is dead It is still very much alive. > [@XVincentHF\_1969](#): > > Like the Companys itself I’m not entirely sure what you mean here. I’m not exactly IOI’s biggest fan right now, but they are far from dead or in financial issues. > [@XVincentHF\_1969](#): > > And the day will come the Servers will switched off You do realise the game has an offline mode, right? A pretty shit one that needs revamping sooner rather than later (and yeah, Freelancer can’t be accessed offline, which is also dumb). > [@XVincentHF\_1969](#): > > But asking to buy 007 ist a bit ambitious…as they cannot fix a Game so long in the market and leaving all Bugs unsolved 007 First Light has bigger problems than IOI’s neglect of bugfixing (expensive editions, suit exclusivity via Amazon, overly-expensive collectors edition). Which again, to their credit, they are doing. > [@XVincentHF\_1969](#): > > not rethinking the whole Mode? Freelancer has actually been through several tests, and there was a CTT before release that I got to play, where feedback was taken on board. The mode does not need to revamped, it needs changes to its economy and punishment systems, but it does not require a from-the-ground-up revamp. > [@XVincentHF\_1969](#): > > As IOI reacts like other companys now for quick Money… I find the company more opportunistic that outright trying to make a quick buck. I think the most controversial thing they’ve done is the Sapienza Edition, and that was not liked; so much so they eventually removed it. > [@XVincentHF\_1969](#): > > keep your Games…..farewell Hitman Then…why post here? IO barely reads the forum as-is right now, so they’re not going to pay attention to this thread. This is not the place to rant incoherently about issues. You may as well be talking to a brick wall. ---
**Author:** ![XVincentHF\_1969](https://www.hitmanforum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/bbe5ce/32.png) [@XVincentHF\_1969](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/XVincentHF_1969)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2025, 5:46pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/freelancer-killed-hitman/18812/55 "2025-09-17T17:46:50Z")
Sorry so say,you should think First. The Bugs i Talk of Are Not!!! In the regular Game, only in Freelancer. Second. If i modify a Game beyond the Soundaries that Happens. But IT has zo be solved, as Players spending Money for Games they should solve such issued Bugs. Fixed nothing, modified Yes. Today i Run in a Bug make me belive i am nuts. Coming in the Mission, running in dartmoore a perfekt run, havin 14398 mecrces im my Pocket, …coming to my hideout and guess what? 1289 in the Bank. Perfekt run. Include safe, Courier, secondary target and sa. Is that what you call normal? Geht the fanboy glasses Off. Ir is Not funny anymore and hast nothing to do with the Quality IOI ist Fame for, zhe Most Companys even b……… and u……. Are more known for that bullshit…but they Work in it, DE…. delivered more contend free and more bugfree as here. They gave Up Bugfixes. When the Last one occurede, Bugfixes, Not modifications. No replay needed. If it stays that way they never should Release a new Hitman Game ---
**Author:** ![Dribbleondo](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/dribbleondo/32/143384_2.png) [@Dribbleondo](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Dribbleondo)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2025, 6:37pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/freelancer-killed-hitman/18812/57 "2025-09-17T18:37:26Z")
> [@XVincentHF\_1969](#): > > Geht the fanboy glasses Off Go look at my post history. I’m not exactly happy with IO right now, and I’ve made my disdain for the companies recent actions pretty clear…including on the comment I responded to you. > When the Last one occurede, Bugfixes, Not modifications Literally this previous patch. And the one before that. Don’t get me wrong, it broke stuff as well, but there were bugfixes (Mumbai no longer killing players while climbing down the elevator shaft, just for one example). [See here.](https://ioi.dk/hitman/roadmaps?panel=https%253A%252F%252Fioi.dk%252Fhitman%252Fpatch-notes%252F2025%252Fseason-of-high-stakes-3-230-0-2025) ---
**Author:** ![Olipro](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/olipro/32/71081_2.png) [@Olipro](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Olipro)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 2:56am UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/freelancer-killed-hitman/18812/58 "2025-09-18T02:56:27Z")
![idiotic](https://hitmanforum-v6-s3-uploads.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/original/3X/1/3/133c37531a20cb9eea1431d7a703378d38ea552c.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Lewisnic1](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/lewisnic1/32/145309_2.png) [@Lewisnic1](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Lewisnic1)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 9:00pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/freelancer-killed-hitman/18812/59 "2025-09-18T21:00:10Z")
This thread isn’t really adding anything productive and I think it would be better off closed. We’ve got the huge ongoing Freelancer thread if anyone wants to raise anything specific related to issues regarding Freelancer. What does everything think? PS - I love Freelancer!!! ---
**Author:** ![Dribbleondo](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/dribbleondo/32/143384_2.png) [@Dribbleondo](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Dribbleondo)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2025, 5:28am UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/freelancer-killed-hitman/18812/60 "2025-09-19T05:28:24Z")
Completely agree. Lock this down mods. ---
**Author:** ![Lewisnic1](https://www.hitmanforum.com/user_avatar/www.hitmanforum.com/lewisnic1/32/145309_2.png) [@Lewisnic1](https://www.hitmanforum.com/u/Lewisnic1)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2025, 9:06pm UTC](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/freelancer-killed-hitman/18812/61 "2025-09-19T21:06:07Z")
There is already an existing Freelancer thread for wider discussion. This thread has ran its course and is not offering anything productive. For bug related issues, please report in the relevant bug section 🙂 [Previous page](https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/freelancer-killed-hitman/18812.md?page=2)