General News Thread 2.0


#2358

More armed people during a mass shooting would be a nightmare.
Imagine the nightclub shooting.
Shots ring out.
Good Guy 1 draws his gun.
Good Guy 2 sees GG 1 pointing his gun, shoots thinking he’s the bad guy.
GG 3 sees GG 2 shoot someone so he shoots that guy.
GG 4 shoots GG 3…
Well, you see where this is going???
And that’s to say nothing of the police who enter the scene and find 30 people with guns, gunshots coming from every direction. How exactly is this supposed to play out? How do the cops, or anyone really, tell good guys from bad in all the hysteria and pandemonium?

I get the instinct to arm more people as a deterent or to serve as the thwarters of evil, but thinking it through on real world level, I think it makes things go from bad to worse fast.

Tighter gun control, more restrictions. It won’t eliminate the problem but I would suspect a significant drop off over the course of several years. But with America’s fascination with guns, it’s a very, very long road.


#2359

All I will say is this: prohibition leads to mafia. USA knows this best.

You want to put gun control? I bet people with 50 guns on a collection or 200 on a shooting range will start demanding 20 times what a weapon used to cost to sell it under the radar if the army does not execute an immediate confiscation order to regulate those who already own guns.

And if they don’t… then… what the fuck does this do? Nothing at fucking all. Weapons will be inherited and mantained for as long as they can. Resold… and for all we damn know of the future; they will start selling 3D printers to craft cheap handguns. This is a scenario that I can totally see happening in the USA and one I do not want to see.


#2360

I believe you are correct in general there. Im not advocating prohibition. But gun laws are VERY lax in the US. Tighten them up, impose further restrictions is all I’m saying. You’re not going to get the guns out of everyone’s hands but you can make things more difficult for people to do crazy shit. The more difficult, the less people we will see succeeding in doing damage. Will it stop them all? No. But I suspect it will stop many.


#2361

Here’s the thing that is most upsetting about this - the gunman’s Arsenal of 19 weapons that he stockpiled in his hotel room was not just completely legal, but it was his right as an American to own them.

The 500 people that he wounded? Their healthcare is a privilege. Better hope they have deep wallets for having the audacity to get shot.


#2362

Also when a radicalised Islamist(s) attack it’s a failure of multiculturalism and proof that Islam is evil, but when this guy shoots 59 people and injures over 500 then that’s the price of freedom.


#2363

And i can’t read anywhere that this guy was a terrorist, no he was “just” a lone wolf, if killing 59 people and injures over 500 isn’t terror, then i don’t know what terror is.


#2364

Well I think people in general get too hung up on the labels of terrorist vs lone wolf. It’s not like anyone is saying “Well at least he’s not a terrorist so it’s not so bad.” I think the terrorist label gets applied by the public if an attack is done in the name of another country or a “radical” religion or ideology, i kinda get that i guess since really all forms of violence incite some level of terror. So I think that’s kind of the line in the sand that people draw to determine terrorist. Terrorist or lone wolf, either way this was one evil mf to do this.

Off to work.


#2365

But what defines terrorism by your book? According to mine, terrorism is always on an agenda. Carries meaning. A senseless masacre for no political, collective or personal gain without full consiousness that to do so requires inflicting death and fear isn’t terrorism. If this guy did not had an agenda and wasn’t in it to cause fear it wasn’t terrorism. Plain genocide.

Until the investigation reveals the motive of this attack, we can’t say that it was terrorism, or non-political terrorism, or even quasi-terrorism.


#2366

Well according to some sources, Nevada state law says that any mass shooting is an act of terrorism. That differs from the federal definition apparently.

The point I would make on this is that the shooter’s whiteness granted him “immunity” from being thought of, or even investigated, as a terrorist. Within a matter of hours it had been ruled out as a terror attack. I guarantee you if the shooter was a Muslim, there’d be absolutely no hesitation before the T word got thrown around.


#2367

Ok, this is fucking hilarious.

(For non-Brits, a P45 is the form you receive from an employer when your employment ends)


#2368

I’d rather have that than mass shootings.


#2369

Terrorism is for me persons that are spreading fear and terror and are attacking civil citizens.

And i don’t think that is right, i did some reading about this and i found a interesting article:

Many people point to the semantics: Terrorism is defined as some variation of “the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.” This last piece is key: According to the dictionary, violence must be politically motivated to truly constitute terrorism. Paddock’s motives are not yet known, which is how some would explain not calling him a terrorist. But whether or not Paddock ever meets the technical definition of terrorist, we know without question that he “created and maintained a state of extreme fear and distress” among the innocent crowd in Vegas. By definition, he terrorized them. But nobody is saying that word, either. When words fail, it seems platitudes prevail.

It’s a convenient coping tactic: It’s so much easier to believe that terrorists are foreign invaders than people walking beside us on the Vegas strip. That way, we don’t have to look inward and admit the dark, shameful truth to ourselves: That despite Trump’s fear-mongering, it isn’t ISIS footmen or undocumented Mexican gang members who are behind the most murderous mass shootings in our country’s history. The ones who are senselessly killing Americans and striking fear into their hearts at concerts and movie theaters and in kindergarten classes are most often white American men like Paddock, Dylann Roof, and Adam Lanza.


So yeah, i’m not afraid for calling Stephen Paddock for a terrorist.


#2370

This was brilliant. The guy who did it is Simon Brodkin. He’s actually a qualified doctor but is better known for these pranks or his act as Lee Nelson. He has been in the news a few times - Handing out swastika emblazoned golf balls at Trumps club and dressing up in a suit and tie and mingling with the England squad as they were waiting to go to the 2014 world cup.

This is pretty impressive though, the police had no choice but to release him as he had the correct accreditation to be at the conference


#2371

And Trumps visit to Puerto Rico was not a success, this is what he said:

“Every death is a horror, but if you look at a real catastrophe like Katrina, and you look at the tremendous — hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people that died, and you look at what happened here, with really a storm that was just totally overpowering, nobody’s ever seen anything like this. What is your death count as of this moment? 17? 16 people certified, 16 people versus in the thousands. You can be very proud of all of your people and all of our people working together. Sixteen versus literally thousands of people. You can be very proud. Everybody around this table and everybody watching can really be very proud of what’s taken place in Puerto Rico.”

Where to begin???
How about that suggesting that what happened in Puerto Rico – an entire island devastated, huge swaths without power, food and water in short supply – wasn’t a “real” catastrophe because not that many people died?

While Trump’s comments about the relatively small number of deaths will draw the most attention – and rightly so – there’s so much else in Trump’s relatively brief comments that speaks to the fact that he lacks the empathy gene. Among them:

  • "It’s a great trip. Your weather is second to none but every once in a while you get hit. And you really got hit."
    Your weather is second to none? The country has literally been leveled by a hurricane.

Or, what about using death count as a talking point? Yes, it’s true that far more people died in Katrina (1,800+) than did in Maria (16). But, for the families of the 16 who died, that loss is no less heart-breaking. Loss of life is loss of life. And we’re not even dealing with the thousands of people whose lives have been fundamentally altered, forever, as a result of this storm – for whom things will never be the same and may well be far, far worse.
(Nota bene: After Trump left Puerto Rico, the country’s governor Ricardo Rosello announced that the death toll had risen to 34.)
“Proud” is not the right word for how people should – or do – feel. It’s not even close.
It’s the opposite of empathy.

I couldn’t agree more Chris Cillizza CNN.


#2372

Picture of Stephen Paddocks legs, 2 AR-15 (maybe) with scopes and bipods, a hammer to the left, maybe used for breaking the window and a note on the right, maybe a suicide letter?

The room was full of guns:


#2373

According to John R. Lott Jr., “Nationwide, 6.5% [of] adults have a concealed handgun permit.”

That being said, concealed and open carry are unrestricted in many states.

That remains to be seen.

It’s not that uncommon.

That depends on how you define “mass shooting”—there is no universally accepted definition. For example, the Wollongong shooting (1999), Monash University Shooting (2002), and 2011 Hectorville siege meet the criteria used by Gun Violence Archive: “FOUR or more shot and/or killed in a single event [incident], at the same general time and location not including the shooter.”

A broad mandatory gun “buyback” program would be unconstitutional, and, judging by the available data regarding the mandatory registration of so-called assault weapons in New York, the rate of compliance would be low. (It is estimated that there are over one million privately owned assault weapons in New York. As of 2015, two years following the passage of the SAFE Act, 23,847 individuals had registered 44,485 assault weapons—less than 4.5%.)

A side note regarding registration: convicted felons are not legally required to register their firearms—and, thus, cannot be criminally charged for failing to do so—because that would violate their Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination (Haynes v. United States, 1968).


#2374

The great, smart, very fine President Donald Trump :frog: peace and blessings upon his name :prayer_beads: has sent a cryptic message out that has many people concerned. :sweat:

Standing for a photo with military officials and their spouses the following exchange took place. :ok_hand:

Trump: “You guys know what this represents? Maybe it’s the calm before the storm.”

Reporter: “What’s the storm?”

Trump: “It could be … the calm, the calm before the storm.”

Reporter: “Iran? ISIS? What storm, Mr. President?”

Trump: “We have the world’s great military people in this room, I will tell you that. And uh, we’re gonna have a great evening, thank you all for coming.”

Reporter: “What storm, Mr. President?”

Trump: “You’ll find out.”

Dark times ahead maybe so with that said God bless the United States and Donald Trump is her prophet.:bowing_man::bowing_woman:


#2375

Is he drunk or something? It’s just babbel.


#2376

A congressmen, Tim Murphy aged 63 has resigned from congress after being caught up in a sexual scandal. :open_mouth:

Tim Murphy was known as an Anti -Abortion republican who most recently signed off on a bill that would make abortion after 20 weeks illegal. :baby:t2:

As both articles mention the congressmen sent text messages to his mistress telling her to get an abortion. :baby_symbol: She didn’t like that idea. :pregnant_woman:t2: The husband :man_in_tuxedo:t2: found out filed for divorce and this is how the story broke. Come to find out the mistress is not pregnant.:relieved: Both the mistress and the congressmen say they are no longer seeing each other sexually. :angel:t2:

The congressmen is married and has one adult child. His wife is Nanette Missig pictured below:
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The name of the mistress is Shannon Edwards she is a forensic psychologist, 36 and is married to sports medicine physician, Jesse Sally they have one child together. Shannon Edwards is pictured below (left):

My opinion: :bomb: If I was the husband I don’t know that I could be in another sexual relationship. :man_facepalming:t2: I would have to live the porn/hooker :peach::woman_singer:t2: life cause the fact that my wife left me for 63 year old dick would be a self esteem annihilator.:zombie: Like a senior citizen is laying down the pipe :eggplant: better than me?:confused: Ahh man! They are both highly skilled professionals so it can’t be about the money :moneybag:


#2377

I read about it here in Norway and i just shake my head, first he is doing a foolish thing and when s*** is about to hit the fan, his anti-abortion is thrown overboard, looks like pro life dosen’t count when it comes to themselves.