General News Thread 2.0


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#2178

FIRST REPLY AFTER THE THREAD WAS RE-OPENED

Anyways, to continue the topic… MTV is advertising the whole same-sex marriage thing, and they said “Just tick Yes and put in your form thingy majigy”. What if someone wanted to say no? Fml


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#2181

Says a lot ot the president of the US, boycott NFL because of the prostest against him is beyond childish, this shows that he don’t respect a open and transparent society, he wants to shut up everybody that are against him, he is a mini dictator, lets hope he will not become a full blown one, better @Supernova? :stuck_out_tongue:.


#2182

Here we go again, Trump the isolationist:

(a) Chad.

(i) The government of Chad is an important and valuable counterterrorism partner of the United States, and the United States Government looks forward to expanding that cooperation, including in the areas of immigration and border management. Chad has shown a clear willingness to improve in these areas. Nonetheless, Chad does not adequately share public-safety and terrorism-related information and fails to satisfy at least one key risk criterion. Additionally, several terrorist groups are active within Chad or in the surrounding region, including elements of Boko Haram, ISIS-West Africa, and al-Qa’ida in the Islamic Maghreb. At this time, additional information sharing to identify those foreign nationals applying for visas or seeking entry into the United States who represent national security and public-safety threats is necessary given the significant terrorism-related risk from this country.

(ii) The entry into the United States of nationals of Chad, as immigrants, and as nonimmigrants on business (B-1), tourist (B-2), and business/tourist (B-1/B-2) visas, is hereby suspended.

(b) Iran.

(i) Iran regularly fails to cooperate with the United States Government in identifying security risks, fails to satisfy at least one key risk criterion, is the source of significant terrorist threats, and fails to receive its nationals subject to final orders of removal from the United States. The Department of State has also designated Iran as a state sponsor of terrorism.

(ii) The entry into the United States of nationals of Iran as immigrants and as nonimmigrants is hereby suspended, except that entry by such nationals under valid student (F and M) and exchange visitor (J) visas is not suspended, although such individuals should be subject to enhanced screening and vetting requirements.

© Libya.

(i) The government of Libya is an important and valuable counterterrorism partner of the United States, and the United States Government looks forward to expanding on that cooperation, including in the areas of immigration and border management. Libya, nonetheless, faces significant challenges in sharing several types of information, including public-safety and terrorism-related information necessary for the protection of the national security and public safety of the United States. Libya also has significant inadequacies in its identity-management protocols. Further, Libya fails to satisfy at least one key risk criterion and has been assessed to be not fully cooperative with respect to receiving its nationals subject to final orders of removal from the United States. The substantial terrorist presence within Libya’s territory amplifies the risks posed by the entry into the United States of its nationals.

(ii) The entry into the United States of nationals of Libya, as immigrants, and as nonimmigrants on business (B-1), tourist (B-2), and business/tourist (B-1/B-2) visas, is hereby suspended.

(d) North Korea.

(i) North Korea does not cooperate with the United States Government in any respect and fails to satisfy all information-sharing requirements.

(ii) The entry into the United States of nationals of North Korea as immigrants and nonimmigrants is hereby suspended.

(e) Syria.

(i) Syria regularly fails to cooperate with the United States Government in identifying security risks, is the source of significant terrorist threats, and has been designated by the Department of State as a state sponsor of terrorism. Syria has significant inadequacies in identity-management protocols, fails to share public-safety and terrorism information, and fails to satisfy at least one key risk criterion.

(ii) The entry into the United States of nationals of Syria as immigrants and nonimmigrants is hereby suspended.

(f) Venezuela.

(i) Venezuela has adopted many of the baseline standards identified by the Secretary of Homeland Security and in section 1 of this proclamation, but its government is uncooperative in verifying whether its citizens pose national security or public-safety threats. Venezuela’s government fails to share public-safety and terrorism-related information adequately, fails to satisfy at least one key risk criterion, and has been assessed to be not fully cooperative with respect to receiving its nationals subject to final orders of removal from the United States. There are, however, alternative sources for obtaining information to verify the citizenship and identity of nationals from Venezuela. As a result, the restrictions imposed by this proclamation focus on government officials of Venezuela who are responsible for the identified inadequacies.

(ii) Notwithstanding section 3(b)(v) of this proclamation, the entry into the United States of officials of government agencies of Venezuela involved in screening and vetting procedures – including the Ministry of the Popular Power for Interior, Justice and Peace; the Administrative Service of Identification, Migration and Immigration; the Scientific, Penal and Criminal Investigation Service Corps; the Bolivarian National Intelligence Service; and the Ministry of the Popular Power for Foreign Relations – and their immediate family members, as nonimmigrants on business (B-1), tourist (B-2), and business/tourist (B-1/B-2) visas, is hereby suspended. Further, nationals of Venezuela who are visa holders should be subject to appropriate additional measures to ensure traveler information remains current.

(g) Yemen.

(i) The government of Yemen is an important and valuable counterterrorism partner, and the United States Government looks forward to expanding that cooperation, including in the areas of immigration and border management. Yemen, nonetheless, faces significant identity-management challenges, which are amplified by the notable terrorist presence within its territory. The government of Yemen fails to satisfy critical identity-management requirements, does not share public-safety and terrorism-related information adequately, and fails to satisfy at least one key risk criterion.

(ii) The entry into the United States of nationals of Yemen as immigrants, and as nonimmigrants on business (B-1), tourist (B-2), and business/tourist (B-1/B-2) visas, is hereby suspended.

(h) Somalia.

(i) The Secretary of Homeland Security’s report of September 15, 2017, determined that Somalia satisfies the information-sharing requirements of the baseline described in section 1© of this proclamation. But several other considerations support imposing entry restrictions and limitations on Somalia. Somalia has significant identity-management deficiencies. For example, while Somalia issues an electronic passport, the United States and many other countries do not recognize it. A persistent terrorist threat also emanates from Somalia’s territory. The United States Government has identified Somalia as a terrorist safe haven. Somalia stands apart from other countries in the degree to which its government lacks command and control of its territory, which greatly limits the effectiveness of its national capabilities in a variety of respects. Terrorists use under-governed areas in northern, central, and southern Somalia as safe havens from which to plan, facilitate, and conduct their operations. Somalia also remains a destination for individuals attempting to join terrorist groups that threaten the national security of the United States. The State Department’s 2016 Country Reports on Terrorism observed that Somalia has not sufficiently degraded the ability of terrorist groups to plan and mount attacks from its territory. Further, despite having made significant progress toward formally federating its member states, and its willingness to fight terrorism, Somalia continues to struggle to provide the governance needed to limit terrorists’ freedom of movement, access to resources, and capacity to operate. The government of Somalia’s lack of territorial control also compromises Somalia’s ability, already limited because of poor recordkeeping, to share information about its nationals who pose criminal or terrorist risks. As a result of these and other factors, Somalia presents special concerns that distinguish it from other countries.

(ii) The entry into the United States of nationals of Somalia as immigrants is hereby suspended. Additionally, visa adjudications for nationals of Somalia and decisions regarding their entry as nonimmigrants should be subject to additional scrutiny to determine if applicants are connected to terrorist organizations or otherwise pose a threat to the national security or public safety of the United States.


#2183

Can you clarify what you mean? I don’t really watch TV so I haven’t got a clue what this is referring to.


#2184

MTV is a channel for Music (hence “Music Television”, or for short MTV) and sometimes have advertisements in between music.

Of course there’s an advertisement for Australian viewers about same-sex marriage because it’s a really big thing going on right now.

But they didn’t even say “Just answer one question and send in your form”, they actually said “Tick yes and send in your form”, acknowledging that some people might want to vote no.

I just thought it was a bit irritating.


#2185

Wow, MTV doing something good? Colour me surprised.

PS - Anyone who votes no is a prick.


#2186

well,


#2187

I wanna talk about the NFL protests and the recent comments by Donald Trump in regards to the NFL and the athletic community in general.

Starting with Trump’s comments at a rally this weekend.

"Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, say: “Get that son of a b---- off the field right now. Out. He’s fired. He’s fired,” Trump said as he stood in front of a giant American flag at a campaign rally for Alabama senator Luther Strange.

Followed by some of his comments on twitter:

Trump called out Curry by name for not accepting the invite to go to the white house, he calls out Kaepernick often using his name to draw boos, he had his press secretary call for the firing of Jemele Hill for calling him a white supremacist

http://www.businessinsider.com/white-house-espn-should-fire-jemele-hill-2017-9

and I can’t forget what happened to Kenneth Frazier after Mr. Frazier left the now disbanded economic counsel. Mr. Frazier was the only one Trump attacked-all the other white people who left did so without comment from Trump.

No doubt that Trump attacks most everyone-except Putin-but he always reacts to black criticism. The fact that Miss Texas was able to criticize him freely and not get a tweet the next morning says a lot.

My thoughts on this are that once again Donald Trump shows himself to be a disgusting racist. He has harsher words for Steph Curry and and black NFL players-at one point calling them “sons of bitches” but when Nazi’s show up in a town they are “very fine people on both sides”

“Me myself personally” I have been protesting the national anthem since i was a child. Got sent to the principals office a few times- blah blah. So far only one person in public has ever said anything to me, and that was a meek but very angry old woman. I am not surprised by the anger people are getting for not standing for the flag. People are using the flag as a red hearing it ain’t about the soldiers. The flag is a identity that I would argue represents white people more than anything else. In my own anecdotal experiences the so called racial minorities never got upset at me for not saying the pledge-but it was a sure fire way to get whites yelling at me about “freedom”, “sacrifice” and “soldiers” I argue that today the flag is a representation of white America-and that is why some of my countrymen take more offense than others. The optics of having blacks protest their identity is too much.

The culture around this “debate” has been framed as blacks versus cops or black NFL players vs America, and each time the flag is used as a back drop for one side versus the other. Trump is not very good at dog whistle but he knows some of the words for it.

I just can’t get over the fact that he has curses for black Americans protesting injustice but has compliments for racism. At first glance it looks like Trump lashes out at everybody but a closer look shows he is very selective on who he spews venom on. How are peaceful protests ‘sons of bitches’ but Virginia had "very fine people"
One of those ‘sons of bitches’:


#2188

Well said. I think the fact Trump laser focused on individuals so freely shows his priorities as President. He took ages to begrudgingly condemn white supremacists, but he’s sure happy to condemn football players that don’t want to stand for the national anthem.

He’s a President more interested in fighting troll type culture wars than actually doing anything to make anyone’s lives better. Absolutely no priorities whatsoever.


#2189

MTV does not mean “Music Television” since the company was sold in between 2008 and 2010 when it transformed into a showbiz and increased it’s political awareness towards leftism with the new leadership.


#2190

Yeah, this is no good, Trump can’t help himself and just have to provoke NK:

It’s problematic when a US president don’t have the brains to shut up, per se NK is no a problem, but i can be in a heartbeat if Trump dosen’t learn political correctness, but somehow i don’t believe that will ever happen.

Neither Trump or Kim Jong-Un have a thick skin, so they are very easily insulted.


#2191

This weeks NFL reaction was amazing. I was particularly touched to see so many of the owners down on the field joining and supporting the players. That was very unexpected. As owners, I would have expected them to “play it safe” and not get involved.

A bit cautious though that this could become an anti-Trump thing. The focus should, and hopefully will, return to the grander picture of social injustice overall. And not simply one man who perpetuates it.

Very intrigued to see how all this plays out and evolves.


#2192

Trump sure has a knack for uniting everyone against him :smiley:

I suppose when a President becomes a President, they no longer really speak for themselves - They’re perceived to speak for a nation. So you have to assume everything they say is either an official position of the White House, or is in some way supposed to represent the views and values of the country at large. So when a statement like “Every football player who kneels for the anthem should be fired” comes from the highest office in the entire nation, that’s very shocking. So I can understand why it needs to be rebuked in the strongest terms possible.


#2193

I’m already getting used to the idea that we’re gonna have to celebrate christmas in a fallout bunker…