As shown in the first Hitman game i.e. Codename 47, Ort Meyer took funding from Lee Hong, Boris, Pablo and Franz Fuchz for his cloning project, and in exchange he gave them organs that made them look and feel younger. He also promised them a clone army, which he was not able to deliver, and instead he sent 47 after them through the ICA, when they start putting pressure on Ort Meyer.
Now I feel this kind of contradicts what is shown in Hitman 2 (2018), where it is shown that Providence was funding Ort Meyer all along. Providence has unlimited wealth, so we don’t see any reason why Ort Meyer had to ask his former partners for help.
If we believe that the four fathers funded the project initially before Providence took interest in it, then Ort Meyer should be easily able to pay them back, and Providence will easily do it, as they want the cloning project for themselves, rather than it going to these 4 criminals.
Is there any explanation behind this, or was this a plot hole that was overlooked by the makers?
I think that the WoA was intended to be a reboot of the series, but they’ve changed their mind halfway in, hence the tiptoeing around in the interviews of the time, calling it a “soft Reboot” and later they stopped calling it a reboot at all.
It’s a shame tho, because the original Story is far superior.
Providence isn’t just going to throw unlimited cash at Ort-Meyer’s project. Like any other corporation, it’s a risk vs reward situation for them. Janus already expressed skepticism at the idea, and Edwards seemed to concur.
In addition, the issue Ort-Meyer had with the other Fathers wasn’t about paying them back, but that they wanted clones for themselves; both clones of themselves, and ones like 47 who would obey them to help enforce their criminal empires. Ort-Meyer was getting tired of their talking smack to him as they lost patience, and when they said they’d come and take 47 from him, just as the Constant was saying Providence wanted the project scrapped, that’s when he let 47 loose, so that he could prove to Providence that the project was worth it, and send 47 after the other Fathers once he started working as a hitman.
Ort-Meyer, from the original lore, wanted to basically become Palpatine and make clones super soldiers to finish what Nazi Germany started and take over the world. I don’t know if his Providence connection changes that, or if he considered helping Providence further solidify their hold on the world by using his clones to deal with their problems as a more lowkey version of that initial plan.
Either way, while the new lore changes how Ort-Meyer went about his vision for a fascistic empire controlling the world with his clones, it doesn’t really change with the idea that he was getting funding from both Providence and the Five Fathers.
Like my good friend @MrOchoa said, it’s a reboot.
IO told this themselves in an interview that Hitman is a soft reboot. Before that when I pointed this out to other fans around here they looked at me with their beady little eyes and called me crazy!
Anyway they just buried the fact of his creation. They mention Ort Meyer but don’t go into the specifics. So the “founding fathers” might just be there, they just prefer not to talk about it.
And another thing, the old story vs the new story doesn’t quite match together.
It can not be fully founded by Providence while we know from the letters Ort Meyer was low on cash because he keeps asking the other members for it.
But it’s a new era with a new generation of gamers. People who haven’t heard before about Hitman or teens in their 20’s, 15’s who have just started to play Hitman will never go back to check the old games because they were not breed into that generation and can’t get themselves to like the aesthetics and simple mechanics of such an old game.
Not to mention the majority game on the newest consoles and you have Hitman 2,3 which are an important part of it’s story only on PS3.
Well even more essential is Codename 47 but no new gamer will go there. Sad… It’s up to us veterans to remind them who 47 really is.
And it is up to me remind everyone how the real Silverballer truly looks.
Blockquote Providence isn’t just going to throw unlimited cash at Ort-Meyer’s project. Like any other corporation, it’s a risk vs reward situation for them. Janus already expressed skepticism at the idea, and Edwards seemed to concur.
Yes that sounds like a good explanation. Still it would be better if they properly explained it in the game itself.
It is the DNA of the 5 fathers that is used to create 47, yet they are hardly mentioned in the last 3 games, except for Janus indirectly commenting that 47 is a mix of many cultures.
Did you know there are famous speed runners with 500k something followers who are active in here and haven’t watched a single cutscene from this game or read a target’s bio?
This might be one reason why they didn’t waste much time explaining.
Don’t try to make any sense of the story from Hitman. They rebooted it.
What you know is gone and that is what they want you to do.
They even removed the logo. THE LOGO!
You have any idea how much I bitched about it?
Eh, it’s not really gone, it’s just not being brought up. The fact that direct references to the events of the games prior to WoA are found in the trilogy shows that those games did happen, they just aren’t going into detail for the sake of new gamers. Kinda like how Jurassic World doesn’t explicitly say that Lost World and Jurassic Park 3 happened, but there’s clues dropped that confirm they did.
What kind of organs are you talking about? Where did this shit come from?
Why do you all believe in necessity of some kind of ica in the first place? I really don’t understand logical and economical reasons to do it through someone else when he had all means to do it by themselves. It is stupid.
He didn’t spend a year doing nothing in ICA. It was a year after he escaped that he did the job on Lee Hong with ICA. But, as shown by H1, he didn’t go to ICA right away after getting out. He did some freelance work as he got used to the outside world.
He didn’t escape. During this year that was intentionally hidden from people Ort Meyer trained him and brainwashed him to believe in whatever he wanted him to believe. This is why he doesn’t remember the asylum and one of the ort Meyer’ workers tells him - “try to remember, you have been here”
Even 47 says to dr. Kovaks - I recognise you, you were the one with the needle.
That’s from him having a flash of memory from his childhood. It has nothing to do with Kovacs doing anything to him during that year. A suppressed memory of Kovacs giving him injections earlier in his life came to the surface after seeing kovac’s face.
While he didn’t escape-escape, since it was part of Ort-Meyer’s plan, Ort-Meyer wasn’t training him. His training was already done, that’s why - among other reasons we now know due to WoA - Ort-Meyer decided it was time to send him out into the world.
Asylum was not kindergarten. 47 was not born. He was produced as a full grown man in an incubator in the basement of the asylum as well as 10 units of 48.
No, he had a childhood. That was confirmed in Ort-Meyer’s notes that came in the booklet with the release of the first game, as well as brief flashbacks in Absolution, and elaborated on in H2. This scene is taking place a relatively short time before the first game, after Ort-Meyer cleared 47’s memory and knew he was almost ready. The other Fathers wanted to see the specimen, as elaborated on in the letters that can be collected from them. This scene is not depicting the moment 47 is coming out of a birthing chamber.
The second game. This has nothing to do with the facts of the first one.
I don’t even want to discuss the gibberish of absolution and the next installments.
Ok. Believe whatever you want.
I guess 10 clones of 48 together with 47 spent 38 happy years before being sent to the slaughter.
No. Ort-Meyer created the 48s after releasing 47. That’s what he was doing in that year, he had learned all he needed from 47 to make a more powerful, more obedient one to replace him, and to make them quickly. That’s why he put the hit on Kovacs, to lure 47 back to the asylum and test the 48s against 47.
Including the information learned in Absolution and the WoA trilogy is not optional; they are part of the series. It’s not about believing what I want, it’s about knowing the lore.
