[Serious - TW: Sexual Assault] Conor McGregor (The Disruptor) verdict and presence in the game

So the mission is currently still playable in the Arcade to those who bought at the time?

So the cost of removal is higher than the PR cost of keeping it there… :thinking:

If I were in IO’s shoes, I’d merged the ID codes of the two missions so digitally they’re the same one. The original The Disruptor is converted into The Wizard, and people who bought the original don’t get charged twice. All new players who want to experience The Disruptor and its unlocks without supporting McGregor’s fame, they can buy The Wizard :slight_smile:

If that’s not technologically or legally feasible, then just find the accounts that had The Disruptor on it, and give them The Wizard for free

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As someone who didn’t buy the Disruptor dlc, and who cares about game preservation, I disagree. Just because there is another similar dlc (That would cost extra money for very similar content) doesn’t mean removing the mission from people who already bought it is right. Connor already got his percentage from the dlc sales, so ultimately removing the mission would be an empty and pointless statement designed to make certain people feel morally superior.

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It would be a PR statement indicating IOI doesn’t want stuff associated with a rapist in the game files, so neither empty nor pointless for their image as a company. Altough it’s unlikely it will happen this late after the events.

And video games were taken from people who bought them for far pettier reasons.

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Well said :slight_smile:

It’s absurd that they retain even the likeness of such an individual in their game

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I prefer a more preventative approach. Once content is added to the game, it shouldn’t be removed. What should happen, as we’ve all said, is IOI taking greater care as a company in the future regarding who they associate with, so that problematic content is not created or added in the first place.

The Disruptor still being available, but only to limited individuals, is sort of like offensive content being removed from circulation but being preserved in private, secured locations for the sake of history and remembrance of what was done, sort of like Disney keeping Song of the South or the original release of Fantasia locked in the vault. Still exists, only select people can see it, but it could cause more harm to destroy it altogether rather than keep it as a reminder of mistakes made and avoid them going forward.

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They already made that statement by delisting the dlc, taking away the mission from people who already bought it would achieve nothing but anger from most people (Especially since there’s no implication that people would receive refunds if this happened) Also, video games being taken away for pettier reasons doesn’t exactly help your argument, not that I’m aware of many such examples anyway.

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My argument is that I wouldn’t care if IOI wiped the Disruptor from my Steam account. Because I can get behind the reason for doing so, which feels more justified than things like “we don’t want to renew music rights but still want to make money off sales so we’re gonna remove half the music from the game (GTA San Andreas)” or “we don’t want to keep paying the servers of this always-online game and we also don’t want to pay people to make it offline, so nobody will be able to play it anymore (The Crew)”, among others.

(Besides, I wouldn’t particularly care about getting a refund for the measly 5 euros I paid for it either. I’ve taken French trains, I’m used to paying for things that will be taken from me for no reason and moving on instead of raging.)

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You and a small minority of people being okay with content that you paid for being removed is irrelevant ultimately, as consumer rights are more important.

I truly do think that instead of having discussions on whether people should have this dlc removed from their library, which is a very controversial take, donating to a charity that supports victims of rape would help counter the indirect financial benefit Conor received from the dlc sales, while also not impacting other people’s consumer rights. Just so it’s clear, this is just a suggestion, not a demand.

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“I wouldnt mind” has always been a bad argument to me. I dont think we should rob the customer just because you are someone who doesnt care about being robbed

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Your disregard for your money is not my problem.

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If they did that, they would naturally be obligated to refund it. Evidently eating those costs have been deemed worse for them than removing it for future purchase - which they were right about; they haven’t had any real PR disaster over it.

In fact, they’ve now been able to spin it into an even better winner by selling another DLC that’s literally just the same map with a couple of reskinned NPCs.

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It’s very difficult to say anything with certainty since none of us have seen the confidential contract between McGregor and IO Interactive and the confidential conversations around it, and if we had it wouldn’t be proper to disclose the details.

That McGregor hasn’t announced he’s suing IO Interactive reasonably indicates that the latest DLC isn’t entirely offensive to him or his business team.

Simple statements of x is more important than y, particularly when you’re not clarifying anything on the x and the y in this perspective - and there honestly doesn’t seem to be issues.

Consumer Rights

Everyone who bought the DLC still has access to the DLC. Companies have always had the right to remove items from sale at any time, for any reason—for it to be otherwise would require companies to keep all manner of archaic and unpopular items in stock, which would not work for the vast, vast majority of products. Phone companies don’t need to offer you an original Bakelite phone that requires you connect to an operator to make a call.

Game Preservation
Again, everyone who bought it still has a copy. There is no announcement from IO Interactive about what they would look at doing when shuttering the project, but historically lots of content that was short term has been made long term where viable. There are also plenty of videos of all the content available, and potentially people who worked out to archive it an currently non-legal manner.

Given how wildly unbalanced EULAs on gaming platforms are, it is distinctly possible they could have just removed the DLC entirely and required anyone who wanted to a refund to manually request it. It is also likely they would have had to eat the costs of all those refunds and not been able to recoup any funds they paid to McGregor. They opted instead to allow consumers to make their own decision if they ever want to interact with the content again.

If we were going to have a nuanced, in depth conversation about Game Preservation then it would be about things like the Elusive Target: The Wildcard which has not (and probably cannot) be included in Arcade etc. I can’t help but notice that the thread for that did not receive the same rush and thus I am immediately concerned that people are not so much interested in any of the above but think it’s a better argument.

Association
Companies have always had the right to choose who they do and don’t want to associate with for any reason with only a few exceptions like employee protection laws. The McGregor didn’t publicly declare he was suing them when the DLC was pulled down is a pretty good indicator that 1. IO Interactive did preserve that right in some form in the contract; and 2. he accepted that it was a natural consequence.

Again, haven’t seen the contracts but I would not be surprised if all IO Interactive contracts with their visible talent (voice actors, people who’s likeness they use, etc) includes a clause that IO Interactive can sever the contract if they are found to have engaged in serious wrongdoing. This is very standard sort of thing, to the extent that in the Carano v. Disney lawsuit Disney was even able to quote Carano’s own defence team arguing for it in other publications. (This was, in legal terms, very, very funny.)

This is basic rights to control one’s brand, control one’s perception in the public and control one’s expression which is considered necessary for company’s to exist as any sort of private entity under the control of the owners. To argue otherwise is to say that companies cannot choose who appears in their advertisements, who they sponsor in events, where they set up their buildings and who they hire in key positions.

Trivialization
This forum is a civilized place and thus we do not trivialize the suffering of people who are victim to rape, sexual assault, sexual abuse etc. If you are the kind of person who casually announces that they don’t really matter because you want to buy a DLC, you do not belong on this forum. As I am a civilized person, I will give anyone who had made a statement indicating as such an opportunity to reflect.

If I see further statements as such in this thread, or a further dismissive attitude of such, I will help those people by giving them more time to reflect (via suspension) or removing them from the forum (via ban).

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I bet they could get away with it if they issued refunds on the disruptor pack. That would likely draw even more attention to it though and IO likely just want it to go away.

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The two approaches are not mutually exclusive. IO should’ve been told by legal that there was a risk of controversy, and the company should not have platformed a person being accused of, and found guilty of, rape, while a trial was going on!

I am all for removing content added to the game that is offensive, broken, or otherwise has no business being in a paid product by a company that should know better. I hope that’s agreeable. “The only winning move is not to play”, so to speak.

The problem with that analogy is that the current versions you can see of those films are still offensive, and they’re only on Disney+ because it’s a culturally significant piece of art that people do enjoy for reasons that aren’t “racist caricatures”. That’s why the notice at the front of both features are enforced on, to remind people that this was never okay behaviour, but deleting all of it would be much worse. Those films have multiple issues, shall we say, and have done for 50 years+. This mission had one BIG issue that makes it hard to ignore the problem, and was released “recently”. That’s also not the same situation.

Following your logic, what IO should’ve done is removed Conor McGregor, and hired a soundalike/ made a parody of it, while changing nothing else, which wouldn’t be any better. It’s still offensive, poorly timed, and would come off as a crass way to solve the situation.

Despite my words, I’m not totally against how they handled it, just that it took way too long, and was not sufficient. This is a half-measure; a “good enough” solution. It’s a very IO way of handling it.

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What about Fantasia?

Fantasia is censored on Disney plus. The Pastoral Symphony segment is edited to remove sunflower.

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Dumbo’s entire climax is edited down. So the crows that are part of the entire catharsis of his character arc literally dont show up