The Story Discussion (Spoilers)

I agree with this 100%. Also whyyyy, I was really hoping he would stay a permanent addition to the series.

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I don’t think 47 is changing his name. I’ve discussed this with a few guys on the forum today and we are all under the impression he’s referring to being an “Agent”. After all he’s no longer under contract with the ICA anymore so why would he be referred to as an Agent under contract?

Like you say in terms of marketing, it wouldn’t feel right having him go by a different name.

@cake941 @Norseman - This is what I was talking about, the confusion haha :joy::joy::joy:

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Getting fibre wired by a guy called Johnny Hitman

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Can you imagine it? Just wouldn’t sound or feel right him having a normal name after all these years.

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This was actually my favorite story of the three games, and it’s made me appreciate HITMAN 2’s story a bit more. I thought that Arthur Edwards made for a pretty good villain and I thought Grey’s sendoff at the end of the second mission was surprising but good.

I heard someone mention that this was IOI’s last Hitman game and if it is, I feel like they did a great job for the series finale.

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I remember when IOI were saying the most dramatic contract in 47’s career or something along that line. Where was that? Destroying the ICA? The most dramatic thing that happened was Grey killing himself, which is a shame honestly cause I really really liked him as a character and the voice actor behind him is brilliant. The end was great and positive, which is not what they made us believe. I expected 47 on his knee at the end not smiling. But anyway the game is great, nothing spectacular, I still believe that season 1 is the best season in terms of everything… the last map (Romania) is a joke and has no replaybility value whatsoever, even ICA facility & Hawk’s bay had more replaybility value. but overall the 5 maps were great especially Mendova, Dartmoor, and Dubia… Berlin and China felt like I was palying Absolution.

IOI have confirmed this won’t be the last Hitman game, just the closure of this part of 47’s story.

Obviously IOI are taking a break from the Hitman franchise to focus on Bond.

47 will be back in around 6 or 7 years hopefully :crossed_fingers::crossed_fingers:

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Yeah and when Diana says “My Family, I know what you did” 47 doesn’t ask her to explain. He knows exactly what she is referring to and apologizes right away.

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All the way back in C47 Hong Kong levels they had female guards.

Was talking about guard AI in the current games. So I meant the WoA series, should’ve really said trilogy

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It was pretty good to see, but I wish they had shown some targets from pre-WOA games.
I get that it was probably a matter of having the character models designed, but it would have made an already great scene better.

*ditto with Chongqing when deleting records from the data core, unless I missed any, all of the targets were from H2016 onwards, seemed like a missed opportunity to cram more past lore into the game.

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My bad, and yeah it would be good to see.
The only drawback gameplay wise would be you couldn’t take the disguise once pacifying them, but I’d happily live with that.

Yeah I agree seeming some older targets would have been fun, but I think it’s better they kept it just WoA. For new players sakes and also because more than anything this was the WoA finale. It’s telling it’s own story, 47s progression from Paris to here, and I think zooming through every target from then til now really did a good job of reminding the player how far they’ve come. Going back to people like the fathers would’ve just thrown off that sense

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I want to think about 5.
Bond is probably out in mid-2023, as they were already working on it whilst working on H3.
We might have it in 2026.

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Haven’t read the whole thread but it occurs to me that unless I’ve missed something massive, we never actually got to know what Edwards intended to do with his newfound power, he just kept saying “Change” but there was no indication of what.

Frankly I think it’s a bit of poor writing that he didn’t even try to convince Diana or 47 that he was actually trying to change things for the better, and that he’d be better than The Partners. Instead he was just all “Hey, I played the hand I was dealt” and “Yeah… change… that’s what I’m about”, he was practically saying “Yeah, I’m the bad guy and you know I am, so I’m not even going to bother talking about my motivations”. In reality bad people with power usually think they’re a force for good in a warped way, and it would’ve been nice to hear what Constant’s actual vision for the world was, it even seemed like they might have gone this direction from The Ark Society where Washington talks about how Edwards is different to the rest of Providence because he wasn’t born into a powerful family and doesn’t have the pedigree. It might’ve actually made the ending more meaningful when you have the sort of choice of what to do with him.

But I guess this is part of WoA’s philosophy of targets only being 100% bad people with little to no nuance

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If you listen to dialogue in Mendoza the heralds actually talk about some of the changes The Constant has enacted already. He merged a lot of big Providence companies (Kronstadt, Hamsun etc) under one new company and used the Ark Society land in the Artic to form his own corporate sovereign state. It’s different at least but I’m not sure why or what benefits that could have :man_shrugging:

Don’t think his goal was every to change the world for good and he didn’t insult Diana’s or 47’s intelligence by trying to convince them otherwise. By his speech to 47 at the end about Diana just wanting all the power for herself I think it’s fair to assume his stance on power is that it is inherently corrupting and no one with so much will ever be good, but someone has to wield that power so why not him?

Plus I think the whole ‘Thanos’ angle of a bad guy thinking what they’re doing is ‘for the greater good’ is a bit played out at this point. I like that The Constant was pretty expressly just out for power for his own sake

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Ah okay, missed that :stuck_out_tongue: Guess I got a bit more replay to do

But they could’ve given us more idea across the three games about what his goals actually were. Whether it was to become mega rich or bring world peace, I don’t know exactly what it was that we were stopping at the ending, in a trilogy that started with “Many have fallen by your hand, but by the same token others have risen. Do you know what kind of a world you’ve shaped?” the answer is still “no lol”

He knows Diana is (supposed to be) a character with a sense of morality compared to everyone else he deals with and also she hasn’t expressed an interest in power itself, but he just gives her a throwaway line about “but having power gets you the thing you want” as if that’s meant to convince a lady who has moral objections to your organisation :S

But what part is it Diana really objects to. Is he merely lining his own pockets, or is he continuing to do bad things like earlier Providence and their experiments and clone assassin programs, and Partners with their attempted overthrow of democratic governments and DNA Bioweapon?

Cos yeah the first scenario would mean Diana isn’t necessarily selling her soul to the devil by joining, but the latter would mean she absolutely is so it would be pretty weak of Edwards not to even address the fact he (might be) doing really terrible things and she’ll have to carry out his wishes. So we’re left to assume like you say he just likes having power and nice things, but the player isn’t really told about what his global plan is, the story is just all about the personalities in H3.

Not in this franchise :sweat_smile:
I guess technically the militia and Maelstrom, but they were like killing children and stuff, I don’t even thinks Edwards was about that life :S
Depends what his plans were he could’ve easily claimed to be morally superior to The Partners and not liked what they were doing. to the world… but at the end of the day the catch would be he still wanted to be the one with the power, which would make us go “nah not good enough”. Maybe that was exactly what was happening, but he never even referenced what’s different between him and The Partners (The Partners definitely were doing bad things so you’d hope he’s not the same)

But what did he want with it?! A great stock portfolio? A harem of bald men? Gay Space Communism? He was the one who said “Power is the thing that gets you to the thing” (terrible quote btw :sweat_smile:) so what’s his ‘thing’? :sob: :sob:

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Thank you, I remember hearing that and going “What the fuck?”, it violates the “Things Rule”.

Other than that I am fine on The Constant’s motives not being explained, I mean so little about him is explained (even his bio as no real information we don’t already know, which is a nice touch) and it makes The Constant even more suspect when he talks about change.

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haha yeah. i feel like “Power is what gets you from Point A to Point B” would’ve made much more sense. plus it achieves the repetition (“thing” vs. “Point”) that i think was the goal in that line.

This. This is what the Constant wanted :rofl:

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