Few of his targets were innocent, and didn’t deserve it.
Klass Teller- A journalist, who just failed his mission. He was already being tortured. Too bad we had to kill him.
Joseph Clarence- he just made some stupid decisions, and he was already suffering like hell.
Rick Henderson- Seemed like a good guy who was just interested in uncovering the truth.
Jordan Cross- Yes, he killed someone in an accident out of anger, but he deserved to be put in jail or psychiatric treatment. He was a spoiled brat, but not a sadistic or entirely evil person.
Penelope Graves- Her death is the saddest in the franchise. She was not just a decent person. She was a righteous Interpol officer who realized how the system is being controlled by Providence… She just wanted to walk the right path, and so she joined Lucas. She was not a monster like his other allies. Too bad ICA decides to take him out due to Soders pulling the strings.
At least some of the ICA agents in Apex Predator (most of them were like Agent 47, just doing their job) - My least favorite mission though.
Among those who deserved the most—
Ort Meyer- Considering how he used to treat his own “sons”, and wanted nothing but world domination through them. He is not as bad as the other 5 fathers, he is worse, as he even betrayed them.
Sergei Zavaratoko- He was literally planning to start World War III.
Meat King- Nothing even needs to be said. Sadly, his brother is not a target too.
The Beldingfords- Sadistic sociopaths
Richard, Alvaro and Albert Fournier- Human traffickers. Worst kind of criminals.
Blake Dexter - Sadistic psychopath
Benjamin Travis- Sadistic psychoatph
Sylvio and Francesca- Working on the most dangerous bioweapon
Claus Strandberg- He didn’t kill anyone directly. But he has zero morals. Would let the world burn if it helps him become a bit richer.
Almost all the Providence guys (Eric Soders, Janus, Alexa, Arthur Edwards)
Marco Abiatti - A corrupt scumbag willing to commit murder and being so revoltingly full of himself that you want to puke.
Dawood Rangan - Same deal as Abiatti but amped to 11.
Mr. Giggles - His treatment of people is bad enough, but his treatment of animals crosses a line that would make me want to kill him in real life with my own hands.
Edward Wade - Possilbly the most depraved character in the series, being a sadomasochistic sociopathic necrophiliac, in that order, who is so extreme he gets an erection off the notion of his own impending death.
Oybek Nabazov - Arguably the most evil character in the series, not only leading scores of people to their deaths in ritual suicide through his cults, but orchestrating the release of a viral bioweapon, probably worse than Caruso’s since this one doesn’t discriminate, that would likely have killed off at least a third of the world’s population if 47 hadn’t killed him and his operatives first. No redeeming qualities or mitigating factors of any sort. The preeminent example of utter human scum of the entire franchise. Death isn’t just deserved: it’s required.
The most potentially dangerous weapon. By targeting specific persons, you avoid collateral damage. I get the spirit of intent with the virus, but on the other hand, falling into the wrong hands makes it too much of a threat to anything.
Okay. If it can be targeted to one person - who’s to say it couldn’t be re-engineered to focus on a broader target? Such as a whole family, a whole region of descendants of X person… or race… or just about anything that could be narrowed down to any set of expressive genes?
While it’s one thing to destroy “the virus” there would also be backed up information for the gene sequence. It does seem a bit silly… Let’s say instead of destroying a virus you have to destroy a cake. Why wouldn’t any respectable cook/baker not have the recipe for said cake written down somewhere? Then if one prototype or version of the virus is destroyed - what’s to stop anyone else from replicating it again with “the recipe”?
Perhaps there’s more nuance to what happened in that mission regarding the virus, and maybe I’m overthinking it. There is the USB dongle and/or EMP destruction of the computer. I suppose we could say that “the recipe” is on this computer. Yeah.
Undeserved target candidate: Jade Nguyen. Right? I couldn’t understand why she was a target. Probably because she had too big of a role alongside Travis. Like, if something happened to Travy, Jade would be there to continue the operation… or maybe she was about to discover that Diana’s grave was empty (right? or it wasn’t her in the grave?)
I agree with everything said, but I have OCD so I cannot not reply:
Never deserved:
Graves: As said, she just wanted to change the corrupt system she was in, much like 47 and Diana join Grey in the end, she also joined his militia. Arguably the best target (least evil) in the (WoA at least) Franchise.
Ezra Berg: He was a real nice guy, and his was just an interrogator.
Most Deserved:
Abiatti: The man kills a priest just to cover up his crimes, threatens the lawyer and if I’m not mistaken his family, had mafia ties, and was a bully to Caruso.
Oybek Nabazov: Leader of a doomsday cult with no real motivation other tha pure evil, was gonna kill the vast majority of the world’s population with an infectious and contagious virus that took it’s time to kill. He gains some points for aesthetic and badass name though.
Sister Yulduz, Brother Akram, Craig Black, Bradley Paine, Owen Cage: Active members of Liberation, respectively hired PMCs and invested in pharmacys to play on boths sides of disasters, had a shrine in his apartment and a viral weapon, didn’t even write his own books and planned to release a viral weapon, was a anti-doctor, and, well, was Patient Zero.
Sean Rose: Terrorist who was brutal and killed kids, or was planning to.
These would be #1 for me, because if it wasn’t for that DNA-specific virus then we wouldn’t have had that totally dogshit ending where 47 decided that as he’d never be able to share a touch with Diana or Smith again for the rest of his life, he’d stay on the clifftop after they evacuated the island, and gaze up ruefully as the missiles dropped on him and blew him to kingdom come.
Okay, so the credits said that “Agent 47 Will Return”, but it’s been 4 years now and we still haven’t had a peep out of anyone.
Least Deserving: Probably Mendola, yeah he was an asshole but nobody deserves to die because they want more out of their job.
Most Deserving: Joseph Clarence because I am sick and fucking tired of him showing up as the “least deserving” client whenever someone dares have this same played out discussion.
I have to disagree on these two, at least partially. Berg wasn’t just an interrogator, and wasn’t a “real nice guy.” He was polite, yes, but then, so was Christoph Waltz in Inglorious Bastards. He coldly subjects people to psychological terror with unethical chemical exposure and mental torture. He may have been less evil than other examples, but he want just a guy doing his job.
As for Rose, his killing of kids was an accident. It’s specifically stated that the building he bombed was supposed to be empty, but he made a mistake and it wasn’t. There’s no indication that he’s planning to kill any civilians deliberately.
I sort of half-agree with this. He’s always brought up as someone who didn’t deserve it, and while I don’t think he necessarily deserves to die, at least not by the time 47 is sent after him because karma is already doing a harsher number on the guy than anything 47 could ever do, he does still deserve to receive extreme punishment for his negligence, and more than that, his dodging of accountability.
The thing is, 47’s contract actually cuts that short rather than delivers it, so his client should have looked into how Clarence was doing before ordering the hit. He may have decided against it, or held off until Clarence was living in a cardboard box in an alley somewhere, and then hired a less expensive agent to deal with it.
Berg was literally kicked out of Mossad for being too extreme in his methods. In a quartet that involves four terrorists he goes toe to toe with the kiddie kaboomer in terms of evil. It is also another case of him being relatively nice and the fact that people think chemical interrogation is somehow a cleaner option than physical torture.
But you can clearly see that Rose actually begins killing more people after Auckland even bombing an oil rig which in and of itself is way more damaging for the environment and fails to actually stop Hamsun Oil than if he bombed their corporate offices.
Rose also victim blames, he makes it expressly clear that he blames the death of those kids on the kids being there not him or his methods.
Rose, at the end of the day, is assessed correctly by everyone at the camp as a monster who searches for was to bomb people justifiably and as a means to justify bombing people. Someone who long since swapped wanting any sort of good intentions in place of simply having any intention at all.
If there is one thing Colorado does well is that it has a clear theme of “intentions” and explores it both narratively and in the game play of the level.
Also some of you need to play Blood Money again because there are two targets (Dilahunt and D’Alvarde) in that game that run a child sex trafficking ring and neither of them have been mentioned. They are my real pick for most deserving by the way.
While true, I was mainly just disputing his bombing of kids like it was a deliberate thing being on his list of crimes, and while he continued to get more extreme, unless I missed something, there’s no explicit info that he’s going to do it again. He still horrible, but the blowing up kids thing was not what he set out to do, so that brings him down by a notch, but just a notch.
It wasn’t deliberate but he shows so little empathy or remorse while also being so callous and careless while actually committing the bombing that it makes little difference to me.
In regards to Berg, I’m actually in favor of his methods. It doesn’t make him any less of a scumbag, but I’ve never been comfortable inflicting any kind of physical pain or injury on people, even those that deserve it. Killing is one thing, but causing deliberate non-lethal pain is where I draw my personal line. Now, emotional and mental pain, however… I’m a bit of a sadist in this area, and can at least understand Berg’s desire to not cause physical harm and mess with their minds instead. Again, he’s still horrible for it, but I can at least appreciate his motives.
All jokes aside, as you have mentioned, his motives are more mannered and his intentions are better than Rose and Parvati. I consider him and Graves the lesser evil half of Freedom Fighters. Even if Rose bombing kids was an accident, he doesn’t really care. It’s been a while since I’ve played Hitman, so dialogues have gone half forgotten.
No, you are right. Like I said he dismisses the deaths off hand and writes off his culpability.
That is more or less because she is the newest member of the militia and I think if Colorado took place a year or so later she would be as bad as Berg.
Even Sean in a rare moment of introspection points out she could have taken a slew of different actions to combat the corruption she saw at Interpol. Instead her first reaction was to join a terror cell she was actively investigating knowing full well many of them are extremists who are comfortable with the possibility of collateral damages and victims.
The slurry pit opportunity shows it wasn’t spur the moment either, she put a lot of thought and effort into joining a militia run by the vegan co-op version of the Oklahoma City Bomber. On some level perhaps always on that level she fundamentally agrees with the militia and its methods. Like Rose she has just picked a reason to justify betraying Interpol.
Diana even says she is ICA material and I think that says a lot in so few words.
This thread or one like it pops up every few years. There is a priest in requiem too. Klass Teller is always the one I think of as “innocent” with innocent meaning given the data we have the target doesn’t deserve to die. Perhaps they are putrid bc of some other thing, but not that we know of. There are guards in the final BM level too that are all targets. No idea if they are big bad guys or just guys from a private security firm who took the wrong job.
This topic brings about another question and it seems fitting for it here - would you want the option to decline taking a contract after watching the mission briefing? Something else to think about is that if you do, some other assassin could take it up instead so you may not have necessarily spared them and maybe you just postpone the inevitable. Turning down missions could also have a negative impact on 47’s reputation and maybe he gets offered fewer jobs or makes less money.
I would like the option to decline, accepting the consequences.
