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Why do you think 47 sometimes goes for the more complex or brutal killing option even when he doesn’t need to?
  • Simple curiosity
  • To throw off investigators
  • To enact poetic justice or karma
  • To expand his experience in every method of murder
  • Pure momentary sadism
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This question came to me after having recently seen the movie Sinister (a clichéd but enjoyable horror film), when I had a mental image of a Hitman mission based on one of the murder scenes depicted in the film. I imaged 47 tracking down a target - a woman in her 40s or 50s - at her isolated country house, poisoning her drink, but she realizes that it’s poisoned and stops drinking it before she’s had enough to be fatal. She tries to run and gets to her back porch before what poison she did consume starts to affect her and she starts going numb and collapses onto her back lawn, struggling to crawl away, all in the middle of heavy rain. There are no guards or anyone around to help her because they’ve all been lured away, have been incapacitated, or there weren’t any because she felt safe in her isolation.

47 comes out of hiding when he realizes that the poisoning attempt didn’t work and starts advancing on the woman, pulling out his pistol in preparation to shoot her, and then he notices a large push mower nearby. He puts the pistol away, goes to the mower, starts it up, and uses it to run over the woman, killing her with the blades.

After envisioning this scenario, I then asked myself why 47 would choose not to go with the quick, clean, traditional kill method of a professional assassin, and instead take the extra time to use the unnecessarily violent method of a common sociopathic thug or serial killer. For my own part, while I think from time to time each of these reasons play a role, most of the time when he goes for such methods and he doesn’t need to, I think it’s driven just by plain curiosity over what it would be like to kill someone in that way, and he decides to experiment when the opportunity allows.

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5423

Thing is there’s a difference between playing the game as 47 or playing the game however you like. My perception is 47 always looks for the safest, quickest and most proficient method possible to get the job done, which the player can always choose to do. But IOI knows thier fanbase is full of bloodthirsty bastards so the options are there too. So when I decide to take the more violent routes, I no longer see myself as role playing as 47 anymore. And I do so enjoy my mass murderer runs. :smiling_imp:

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5424

And to answer this question, I think he does it more so out of on the spot improvisation, in case the first or second attempt fails.

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5425

Yes!

Also there is a clear difference in the supposed cannon play now compared to C47 and H2SA. The loading screens nearly always showed 47 using his pistols. That went away after H2SA as the game and player base morphed into a world where SA is heavily implied to be the goal.

For example Kirov Park meeting. You get SA using car bombs and can also get SA sniping the targets. Both those methods make it clear it was an assassination. Fast forward to BM and WOA and players are working harder for accident kills bc somewhere along the line it became that any intentional kill takes away SA (which I don’t agree with but that’s for a different day).

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5426
Whose genetically engineered super soldiers do you think would have had the most success in rivaling Ort-Meyer’s work with the clones if 47 hadn’t stopped them first?
  • The Franchise (Parchezzi/ Purayah)
  • ICA (Victoria)
  • Dexter Industries (Sanchez)
  • Max Valient (1-13)
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5427

This is a hard one to tell when examined closely. We can discount Dexter Industries because Dr. Ashford never got close to making a proper super soldier, with Sanchez being his sole example of any progress and only the increased strength was successful.

The Franchise’s different Marks seemed to be pretty close, lacking only the longevity of Ort-Meyer’s work, but the fact that it couldn’t be achieved without 47’s DNA is a notable drawback, and we don’t know if any physical enhancements were added aside from how difficult it is to kill Parchezzi without a headshot, but that could just be due to body armor.

Victoria seems like an obvious choice, but the fact that she was created with free will means any others of her series could choose to not be killers, and the isotope’s necessity to keep her both healthy and physically enhanced is a major weak point that could be easily exploited by even non-enhanced combatants.

Valiant’s clones, as noted in the thread devoted to The Splitter ET, have no enhancements beyond being “born” with their progenitor’s physique and combat knowledge already embedded in them and are subjected to intense training immediately. They are really just copies of the original that work out more. While this puts them above any non-enhanced humans in the series, they are still inferior models to 47, and so presumably any other Ort-Meyer clones that were even marginally successful.

In the end, despite their inferiority over other examples in the series, I personally think Valiant’s clones come closest to truly rivaling Ort-Meyer’s work. While physical enhancements had to be sacrificed since Valiant’s doctors couldn’t replicate the recombinant DNA and extra chromosome Ort-Meyer used, they still are successful human clones, grown relatively cheaply, and according to Dr. Hei, rapidly grown to adulthood without the drawbacks of The Franchise’s Marks, and without the need for an external stimulant like Victoria. While weaker than Ort-Meyer’s work, they still appear to be physically more capable than ICA’s other top agents, as well as other assassins we’ve seen in the series like Maynard John and Joanne Bayswater.

So with that in mind, even though it’s mostly copied from his work, as far as Ort-Meyer’s efforts to create superior soldiers and assassins, Valiant’s program seems to be the most successful we’ve seen in rivaling him.

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5428

Would 47 be a good dad?

  • Yes
  • No
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5429

Context is gonna be crucial, and I’m going purely on the idea of 47 becoming an adopted parent, a godparent, a parental-figure, or being recloned from his own blood and raising the child, because I absolutely refuse to entertain the notion that 47 could or would conceive a child in the standard fashion, but yes, I think 47 would be a good dad, or at least a decent one.

We know his child would be well-protected, that’s a given that isn’t even questionable. We know that they’ll be well-educated, particularly in physics and chemistry, world history and cultures, and trained in some form of combat to defend themselves, as well as proper firearm safety and handling.

And we know, based on the whole experience with Victoria, that 47 would emphasize a child having the right to choose their own path, although he would also ensure that they have a sense of justice and accountability instilled in them.

The one thing he would come up short on would be to express love for a child, and even with the internal progress he’s made over the years, I think (hope) that he’s still too emotionless to express love beyond a general, albeit obvious, fondness for an individual, as we see with his interactions with Diana, Victoria and Grey. But even fathers who can and do express genuine love to their children can still be bad dads, so I think that, so long as he isn’t flatly neglectful, a child should still be able to have a healthy emotional relationship with (or just to) 47 even if he were incapable of expressing it back to them.

If they turned out to ultimately become a bad person, even a dangerous one, we also know 47 would take on the responsibility of protecting the rest of society from them by shutting down whatever emotions he feels for them, and neutralizing them as needed.

Yeah, I think, in a sterilized and broad strokes manner, 47 would make a good dad.

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5430

Wow, I am convinced. When Yacob made the poll, I only considered if 47 would spend time with the child, because of him being too busy flying around the world doing his job. Yet I didn’t think of other aspects of being a good parent, such as education or protection. I guess I got something to blame my parents then (not really). Though, the more I become older, the more I understand why they didn’t have much free time nor energy to bond with me. Anyway, just want to say you gave a well thought answer. Thank you. :+1:

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5431

Hmm. 47 with crow’s feet. :thinking:

5432

When have I ever not? :smirk: Thank you, though. And I forgot a couple of things, such as financial stability and access to proper nutrition and exercise.

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5433

Added a Current Roadmap section to the WOA Museum. Do you like it?

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  • Yes
  • No
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Who do you think is the best assassin in WoA, aside from Agent 47?
  • Mark Faba
  • Max Valliant
  • Agent Montgomery
  • Alma Reynard
  • Maya Parvati
  • Joanne Bayswater
  • The Rival (Envy)
  • The Kashmirian
  • The Vulture
  • The other ICA Agents
  • Valliant’s clones
  • Freelancer assassins who guard Leaders
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I already did one of these some time ago, but now that Valliant has been added to the mix, I decided to do an updated version. Included a few that weren’t in the first one as well as part of their own categories, though I doubt they’ll get votes.

5435

If he wants to, and he frequently does: Grey.
Headcannon: Victoria chose to become one in her adulthood, and is pretty good.
On your list: Faba.

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5436

Considering I’ve watched the guy reach down to the floor and snap the neck of a guy some fair way away, I think the assassin dreamed up by 47 as a rival worthy of envy takes it.

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5437

Music question, but posting here as opposed to the music video thread.

Do you all have any albums that you absolutely love, from artists that you otherwise don’t care for? I’m talking albums that are straight up desert island albums for you, top hundred or so, from artists or bands that you otherwise find nigh repulsive.

For me it’s Blood Sugar Sex Magik by the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Can’t stand this band, love this album. It came out for me at the right time and place, you know?

  • This question makes no sense. I only like music from artists I like. That’s what makes sense.
  • I’m sure there’s some music from people I don’t loooooove, but I can’t think of great examples right now.
  • I definitely love some albums from artists I otherwise can’t stand. Here are some examples!
  • Music? What’s music? Music is for commercials and elevators. Fuck music. I don’t listen to it.
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Hm, I won’t say that I can’t stand Linkin Park, in fact I love them. However I only like the two first Albums, Hybrid Theory and Meteora, the rest to far removed from their Nu Metal era.

That Said, today I actually love three of their albums. The newest Album From Zero is awesome. Other than that It’s s band I love but only like 35% of their music.

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5439

I’m struggling to think of an entire album I love from an artist I loathe. Certainly songs exist that I like from artists where that’s their only song I believe is any bit good.

I don’t mean one hit wonders either. I mean artists who I just don’t like much but are consistent and I happen to like one song.

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5440

I don’t go off of albums so much as individual songs, but the concept still applies. The four I can name off the top of my head are Taylor Swift, Beyoncé, Kanye West and Megadeth. A mere handful of songs by each I really enjoy, the rest of their repertoire and the artists themselves, can’t stand.

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5441

Well you were making sense until Megadeth. Those first five albums are great, with a couple of legit classics in the mix even. Rust In Peace is one of the best albums ever :metal:

Even a couple later albums are decent… The System Has Failed, Dystopia…

With regards to Kanye: I fucking hate the guy, but My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is a masterpiece, ugh.

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