Going through the files, in non showdown contracts there are about 50 potential targets, with 20 being brand new NPCs (However these 20 NPCs do not spawn at the same time, only the ones that are picked targets spawn). Colorado however does not add any new potential targets for some reason.
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Or player should have chance to change prestigue objectives - before he start the mission. Personaly I don’t understand that option - when you choose once, it’s done. That will lead many players to poor decision when they choose a campaign afterwards.
So before you start mission - you can choose which one what ever you like.
It just requires a bit of brain power, and you have to know to weigh your options between possible campaigns/missions, objectives and your gear, and the prestige objectives (which you are free to check out before you choose).
I’ve seen people criticizing how some of these objectives can be impossible due to current lack of gear or objectives that are incompatible.
But that is very much intended and it’s exactly what allows for an actual planning phase… one of the best parts of the mode imo. There are vast options to put together and plan your own path forward.
It only plays into the role playing/immersion part of the game to have some actual planning to do in the Safehouse.
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Yea but just dont pick an objective until you pick a map problem solved
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No, it’s just bad UX design. Choosing a Prestige objective before or after don’t make any diffrence at all. There isn’t here any strategy and reward behind this - it just make people confuse and frustrated. Allowing player to choose a Prestige Objective at any point before starting a mission won’t change anything beside it will be a better User Experience solution.
Imagine a case like a this - you go to Online Shop and click “Pay now”, but you forgot to change delivery or payment method because you clicked button before you notice that options. And there is no way around or “go back” button - you need to pay!
This is just a bad UX. Don’t try to justify it.
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Yes, I will.
I think it is intentional. Make people feel the weight of decisions.
And please don’t question my sincerity just because we disagree. I like the way the mode forces you to weigh your options and make choices.
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Needing to forfeit some of the payout because of the objectives placed on you that you can only earn money from, should not be a choice. You can make choices that cost you the money for failing, but having to choose which options you’ll follow, knowing that one of them is going to cost you money either way is a very poor design. The option should always be present to get the full pay out, and you just have to plan for it and figure it out and earn it. No problem with that. But some of the contradicting objectives make that impossible. That shouldn’t be a thing.
Should be and should be. I think it’s a 100% intentional, still. But no, maybe they’re just lazy or they just didn’t notice. That seems very plausible.
I’m try to think from global perspective of many users - not just mine perspective, it’s what I do because i’m a UX/UI Designer and I’ll explain why I think this is badly executed Idea.
Current UX of Prestigue Objective it made people confuse, because for example - you need first read all current mission base objectives and remember them, then look at prestigue objectives then look on your weapon and tools case to be sure you have a proper tools for the job. But there might be a situation when user pick up a Prestigue Objective and won’t be aware it that it does not align with the baseline objectives. Or maybe he pick up a "kill with XX Epic Katana, but forgot he got a Katana - but didnt notice it’s not a epic one or he don’t know map well enough to make a proper decision.
In all these cases you need to run around four points of safe house - tools, weapons, prestugue objectives and campaign objectives. Did you found this a fun or better game experience? Especially you will be doing that a tons of times?
There is a plenty of cases where user can be confused especjaly that most of Prestigue Objectives isn’t explained well. Of course after you choose one - you can read expanded description but when you’ll found out it’s something different than you though - there is no going back.
I also think that idea behind it is great! But it’s badly executed. Player shouldn’t be penalized for decision at Safehouse, but after when he start mission. And you telling me this is a “strategy”? No, it’s not because behind this there isn’t any profit of doing that. It’s just make people confuse and be frustrated. But at this point UX of that funcionality it’s just bad.
Explain me why - allow players to have posibility to change a choosen Prestige Objective before start the mission will be a bad idea?
Alright, I appreciate that. I had a course on UX as well, so I do know about that world.
Hmm in practice, many of them are simple enough to understand from just trying them once or checking them in the menu once. I mean, it’s SA, SA/SO, Hide every 2 mins, 1 collateral accident kill, etc. You’ll learn quick enough. If someone confused by this for long, I’m not sure Hitman is for them. But yeah, there could be an automatic info box opening when picking a Prestige Objective or something, to avoid having to go into the menus. Not a big deal to me though.
I think the main thing is that this mode is designed to be a bit hardcore, consequence-driven, rogue-like… So I’m not sure UX design philosophies are entirely applicable here. It’s just not what they’re going for. They’re going for more consequence than ease, and it actually does get all the right dopamine centers going, at least for me. I like having to think a bit when I’m in the Safehouse.
Yes, I actually do enjoy walking around the safehouse and thinking about options. Having to do micro-decisions. Let me try to demonstrate with a made up, inner monologue:
“Oh I have this item, but that makes this impossible, so if I choose this, then I can put this together: That does negate this minor objective, but weighing my options, going for these specific objectives is a good compromise”.
Like, of course most of this thinking will be sub-conscious, but that does come with some satisfaction for me. And I’m more of role-playing type, so I think it feels cool that there are actual decisions for me to make spend my time on there.
I do think IO deliberately chose to make the Prestige Objects disappear once you chose. It’s definitely not an oversight. It’s to enforce the idea of consequence and to make the Prestige Objects feel like they’re subconsciously significant and serious. But yeah, it doesn’t really mean much to me to be honest, they could give you the choice to change back
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I get the idea what you want to explain and I’m fully agree, but at end of the day you still need to take this responsibility and push “Start mission” button and therefor you’ll be punished if you choosen a bad plan. But why give a penalty for user at moment when he try to decide what strategy he should take?
Even I’m a veteran hardcore fan of Hitman with +2k hours in WoA - I found some of these objectives confusing.
For me it’s just a bad UX and nothing else. If you allow user to change a chosen Prestige Objectives before starting a mission, it still required it to think and make a plan afterall.
Yeah, I think you have a point about that. I’m just trying to guess at what they were thinking when doing them like that, and I think it’s to make them feel subconsciously weightier. But yeah, it wouldn’t matter much to me either way.
It’s just that I watched Atrioc playing the mode on YouTube and calling some of this unfinished design, when really it was just that he was just kind of rushing through the planning stage, picking objectives for the memes, and then saying “it’s only in Beta, that’s why there are incompatible objectives”. But no, most of it’s deliberate, to make you think and plan a little.
(I like Atrioc btw, not a dig at him)
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There is no design. The game randomly selects from a pool of objectives and prestige objectives, if they conflict, tough shit.
Given that there is an achievement for obtaining the maximum payout of 75 Merces, which requires the 3x 15 Merces objectives + 30 Merces prestige objective, clearly there is no intention for the prestige objective to replace a regular one.
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But again, it comes down to the players level of intelligence. If they have an objective that requires them to kill three guards and they choose the Silent Assassin PO, that player is stupid if they want to get the maximum payout. They had two other options to choose from and didn’t take it.
It is a player-created problem.
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No, it doesn’t come down to the player’s level of intelligence.
The game rolls 3 choices. You don’t just get to pick whatever prestige objective you want.
If one or more of those choices are bogus, you don’t really have 3 choices. Nobody purchased Hitman to engage in an RNG attention/hold the camera still/idiot test.
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I had a thread along the same lines, though more vague, this was the type of idea I was alluding to. Most people didn’t seem into it. But this is a pretty cool idea. I even wouldn’t mind paying for it. I’m ok with IO finding a way to monetize the mode, since we’re already getting so much for free.
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No, should not be and should not be. Why the hell would you want to play a game that sometimes has a set up where it’s not possible for you to achieve the maximum score no matter what you do because of conflicting objectives? Why would you want such a thing? It’s absolutely nonsensical. It’s one thing if it is possible and you simply fuck up and lose it; no problem with that, and most of the time that’s what these missions are giving. But the ones that conflict, no; that should not be a thing. By video game logic itself, never mind Hitman logic, that’s just stupid.
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I’m not saying SA has to be done. I’m saying SA should be the highest reward. If you manage to get a target in a crowd and all you have is a banana, so be it. You likely won’t get SA. But of you can figure out how, then THAT’S where the reward should be highest. Has nothing to do with making this mode around SA. It’s about reward. Challenge. And being rewarded for such challenge. If you kill 5 guards and the target in front of everyone, that should not count as more money than someone who kills all 5 guards and the target within the SA parameters to get SA.
That’s my point. I’m not saying SA should be their only objective. I’m saying it should be the highest reward.
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Another question, when preparing for a mission, how many items can we take? Let’s say I have pretty much everything, can I take everything? Our only 5 items?
What’s the exact thing?
You have a “carrying capacity” (which increases as you complete missions) and each item takes a certain amount of capacity. Some other rules apply (you can’t take 3 assault rifles for example, as you would need 2 briefcases for that) but that’s basically the only limit on what you can carry.