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You pretty easily dismissed the virulent racism of his lies. Did you get over January 6th this quickly too? Trump still promises to pardon the rioters and shows no remorse and takes no responsibility for it whatsoever.

In my opinion, for this reason alone, he should have been sentenced to life in Rikers instead of becoming the Republican nominee for a third time.

You’ll be disappointed to learn Trump is a horrible businessman who coasted off on luck and his father’s money. His cabinet members, such as Tom Price, Scott Pruitt, Ryan Zinke, Steven Mnuchin and Betsy DeVos, were all corrupt leeches and his administration had scandals daily, and it’ll be exactly the same in a second term.

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/cost-corruption-waste-abuse-president-trumps-cabinet/

You want to see how they’ll lead in a crisis? Trump publicly feuded with Fauci, downplayed COVID and promoted snake oil cures. His incompetence killed millions, including his own supporters, while Biden and Harris finally ended the pandemic.

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/5-ways-trump-administrations-policy-failures-compounded-coronavirus-induced-economic-crisis/

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/biden-campaign-press-release-fact-sheet-donald-trumps-utter-botching-the-covid-19-response

Josh Shapiro was also a vocal Zionist whose aide got accused of sexual harassment, selecting him would have tanked Harris’s support among the youth and leftists.

Personally, I find Walz a lot more charming and genuine than Vance, who literally called Trump Hitler and now supports him. I guess we can both agree the debate will be fun to watch.

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6505

I just want to note that Haitian is a nationality, not a race so that technically doesn’t apply. Also half the country believes he’s racist while the other half doesn’t. Guess it depends on which half you choose to believe but I think it’s best to hear from both halfs.

Yeah, I already know his history. And that he climbed back out of bankruptcy. But could Biden or Harris comeback from half of what he’s been through? And listen, I’m not interested in debating his first run with you. You’re firmly set in your hatred for Trump and I’m not trying to change your mind. I hope we can agree to disagree in peace.

Looking forward to it.

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Are we arguing semantics now? Trump spread hateful lies derived from false accusations dehumanising and humiliating African migrants. And for the “half the country” argument, I think both I and Republicans can agree that half this country are morons who will believe anything they’re told.

He climbed out because he was a rich white man whose Daddy constantly pulled him out of the holes he got himself into.

I hope you can at least understand why I dislike Trump rather than dismiss my disapproval of him as pathological or illogical. His administration was rife with corruption, he has proven himself incompetent on multiple occasions, he constantly behaves like a spoilt child and he was at least partially responsible for a mob storming into the Capitol Building which he at best refuses to apologise for and at worst outright endorses.

You can at least see that there’s very good reasons to why I’m not impressed with the man.

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Prosecutor, state Attorney General, Senator, Vice-President. So there’s that. Then, there’s the fact that she played the so-called battle tested former President like a fiddle, lured him into making ridiculous statements to defend his own ego, and showed better understanding of how the world actually works, rather than sticking to grievances and conspiracy theories, so there’s also that.

What it looks like doesn’t mean that’s what it is, especially since, as I said, she doesn’t need to go on any networks and explain anything, hostile or friendly. She owes the media nothing; it is on them to properly report on her. Her numbers show that hasn’t needed any interviews up to this point, any she does would be a bonus. And the other two have not done it multiple times over. They’ve stuck with friendly outlets who never push back, and any time they went on something that did push back, like the last time Trump went on 60 Minutes years ago, they never go back again, because their delicate egos got hurt and they don’t wanna play with them anymore.

She’s already proved it to the people through her history listed above, most of which required her to be voted into those offices. Also, as I said, right now, it’s not on her to prove whether she’s qualified because that’s not what the majority of people are voting on this cycle. They are voting on only two criteria: Trump, or not Trump.

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But they skipped the primary process. She didn’t have to campaign for it, she was just hand picked by Biden.

I disagree that she won the debate but that’s a matter of opinon.

But image does matter. And I don’t think anyone should be able to just be handed the position without having to fight for it. She hasn’t done enough from what I’ve seen.

I can respect that.

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Not saying you should be impressed. The problem for me is that democrats and the media have been trying a little too hard to get Trump to the point where anything he says and does is viewed in a negative light. The best example is calling him Hitler, a comparssion to a mass murderer. There’s no proof that he is a mass murderer so this is just deformation and more they say it, the more credibility they lose and worst yet, they being saying it for years. Things like this and bloodbath tends to make me second guess my voting choices.

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They skipped the primary when it was Biden. There wasn’t any Democrat primary. It shouldn’t have been that way, but it was. However, that when it was still Biden going for office, not Harris. Biden dropped out, he endorsed Harris, others got behind that. If they hadn’t, it wouldn’t have been Harris. Plus it was too late by the time they pressured Biden to quit to hold primaries. She wasn’t hand-picked, she filled in for the current president since he’s not going to do the job anymore, same as her current job is now. Also, she was elected as Vice President, so voters did have a say in who was in that position for Biden to endorse. This talking point has been used since that very day and it has never held water.

No, that is not a matter of opinion. Harris was on point, on message, and had control of the situation. She threw out bait that Trump bit into every time. He spewed his usual insanity, his usual lies about things that can be verified with a five minute google search, and the moderators even had to step in several times to fact check him over it. It was a whining child against a seasoned pro who made her career off of explaining her case in court in front of a judge and jury. Every single objective view of the debate has Harris as the clear winner, while those who say otherwise are exhibiting deliberate denial.

See first paragraph.

She’s not required to do anything. Trump hadn’t done anything when was elected, either. Nothing that was relevant to running a country in any way. Once that threshold is crossed, any others can cross it, so even if Harris hasn’t done anything, it wouldn’t matter. But, again, prosecutor, AG, Senator, Vice President. Only one of those requires you sit and wait for someone else to stop working, the others all require you to work for the people you represent.

The thing is, she doesn’t even have to do anything to show that she’s qualified for the job, except for one thing, the one thing that was the main reason above all that Trump was such a horrible president, the one thing any leader needs to do if they’re gonna actually lead: listen to the advisors. Listen to the experts who are there to tell you what is what. Listen to the smart people who know more than you about a particular subject. Thats what Trump never did, that’s what he’s still doing now, keeping on with the personal attacks and the conspiracies when everyone around him who knows more than he does keeps begging him to stick to policy! All Harris has to do to be even just a mildly decent president is listen to her advisors, and she’s already shown she’s willing to do that, so right there, she’s the more competent choice.

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I’m not american so this is coming from an outsider. I find it incredible that people like Nazareth can be duped and I genuinely fear for America (and Europe) when I see this first hand.

Voting for Trump would be the most unintelligent thing anyone could do, I’m sorry.

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No offenece taken. :ok_hand:

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you can’t be serious, it was hateful and dangerous rhetoric intended to dehumanise a group of people based on their identity. you shouldn’t need to take an opinion poll to figure out whether it’s right or wrong :sob::sob:

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I’m not in the US either, but have had to deal with friends and family members slipping into conspiracy theories and right-wing media bubbles - @Heisenberg @TheAtlanticTempest kudos to you, for your commitment and calmness!

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I’m glad I’m Canadian. Although I am not looking forward to our upcoming elections within the next year (I do not support any of the parties).

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Speaking of elections, a German state, namely Brandenburg, did elect to day.

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This was the third and last important state election prior to the national government election in a year. (EDIT: ah no there is another election in March) You might have read about the other two at the beginning of this month. This time the alt-right AfD did not get first but close second after the SPD. The green party did not make it in, just as the FDP. These two are currently part of Germany’s government together with the SPD.

Nobody really expected that the FDP will make it into the state’s parliament, but still they lost even more votes. Wolfgang Kubicki, the #2 in the FDP, called for talk in his party wether the coalition should be ended. We might learn of it in the next 48 hours.

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Uh…I think any response I can give could antagonize you and that’s not my intention. If you or anyone don’t want to talk to me again, that’s cool.

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Nah, it’s fine, we’re just so tired of having to argue against this whole notion of the Republican candidate, especially Trump, being some kind of savy hero and the Democrat candidate being some untested greenhorn who never did anything, and neither of those is ever true. At least you’re not making it personal, as so many who follow that thinking do.

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Yeah going back and forth with you was good but I don’t have the stamina to do it long term on the internet, especially when I’m at work. But if we ever met in person, we can go at it all day. :+1:

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He obviously changed his mind and made peace with Trump. He’s already been interviewed about it. Isn’t it possible for people to have a change of heart about something?

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Or, more likely, because multiple republicans have done this about Trump since he took over the party, he decided to embrace Trump because he believed it was politically advantageous to do so.

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I just thought of something. Let’s say Trump and Harris both dropped out leaving Vance and Waltz to run with thier own VPs. Would that have a change in your vote if any?

  • Change to Vance
  • Change to Waltz
  • Staying with Vance
  • Staying with Waltz
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