I’ve come to learn that all politicians are self-centered scum. Anyone that wants power is the least deserving of it. I’m more left leaning, but it’s hard to be supportive of either these days.
There are a small number of good eggs and I always wish they do well, but they rarely do.
In my younger years I use to be Democrat by default, meaning my family is left but at the time I had very little interest in politics and just went with the flow. But as time passes and I get older, I found that my personal values in life are a bit more right leaning then left so I’ll say I’m more center-right.
I grew up in a very conservative household. My father was a preacher if that’s anything to go on. Christian > Protestant… and I’ll just say that we were NOT snake handlers. There were even some people in those “circles” who were completely against having T.V.s in your home. But I can’t say I ever really got that much into it (the way the others were), like, at all. And, I’ve never been an easily excitable person about anything. Never cared for sports or celebrities. I do attribute that to my religious upbringing. Those things were “worldly”.
I recall a time in my “online” life where I was a die-hard ‘Dubya’ supporter. Some time later, I had a major paradigm shift when I learned about WTC Building 7. That’s all I’ll say about that. IYKYK. From that point I could no longer identify as a “Republican”. Another thing that occurred from that was to become extremely skeptical of anything the media dictated.
FFW to 6 or 7 years ago… WEF Bond Villain Klaus Schwab writes a book about something and the Great Reset. So, I’m just naturally skeptical of the thing that happened around that time. Not saying that the cases were fake or that there were no deaths. There absolutely were some human rights violations, especially in a number of countries! I’m just believing it’s, well, more or less an evil plot. I don’t care how you think I sound - it is what it is. I hope they one day have tribunals and execute people responsible.
That was going on when my father was dying and was bed ridden in a hospital, even suffering from dementia (which was exasperated by the medication he had to take). And he could only have 1 visitor per day. He ended up dying in the hospital the same day he was admitted to a rest home. I had received a call from the hospital that night before I had to go into work. They said he suffered a fall, but they thought he should be okay, and were just required to call and let me know. The next morning I found out he had passed away during the night. Undoubtedly due to the fall he had taken. Maybe he knew that I could potentially lose the house he had left to me if he had to stay in a rest home.
When I was a small child, I don’t know where I got the idea from, but there were times I’d say “I’m so mad I could kill myself!” My dad told me to never say that! That day he was in the rest home, I could swear he mentioned something about the thing I’d say when I was a kid not being such a bad idea. Maybe he fell on purpose that night to help push him along his way toward “going home”.
Well, this certainly turned into a bit a life’s story post. I probably even posted some of this before.
Eh. yeah. So anyway. I strongly believe due to at least a couple missteps in the forum
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that I’m permanently blacklisted from being granted Regular status. I do not consider anyone here to be an enemy, but I can’t help how they see me. That’s their right and freedom to label things how they see fit.
I’d consider myself right of center. I’ve definitely moved more leftward on a few things that, well… who cares? I just don’t get too excited about a lot of stuff.
i assume you mean bold statement as in the fact i’m a monarchist from America?
i feel like democracy can be the same way too. and to be honest i feel like elections are kind of the illusion of freedom of choice cause it sometimes just brings to power the same vicious cycles of two parties who work to screw you over for the same thing every time. overall i respect that counter argument. most people tend to in the modern days respond to a proposition like that so negatively a treat it as if it is the same as the tyrannies of the modern era due to mainstream propaganda. for someone like me i admit that bad or good chance can happen and bad monarchs in the past have happened but so have good monarchs. people only get told of all the bad monarchs like that fat bastard Henry the 8th and never the good monarchs lol. so yeah the chance concern is an overall fair argument
it’s sad cause change doesn’t happen through strife, tribalism, and violent revolutions. actual civil discussion brings change. and it’s fair to not care for online political debates cause that shit can get toxic and turn into an Arthur Schopenhauer The Art of Being Right lol. and it’s better to keep friendships than separate due to political differences.
Actually just from the point of view of the western world, but yeah for America that is even more unheard of. The monarchy here in Europe is at most only for show.
Yeah I would be much more frustrated if I had a two-party system like the USA. I am not happy with how it is in Germany but I am glad we have plenty of parties. It is just my bad luck I don’t seem to find a very fitting one for me to vote without much thought. Also in the attempt to prevent the AfD the other parties lose more and more of their profile.
I want to be honest with you here, monarchy is so much out there that I don’t really feel like I need to get overly emotional to prevent that from happening. At most we will see dictators coming up again which is something else for me than something like the Kaiserreich. I also don’t get the feeling dictatorship is fine for you here, even though it is not that much different to monarchy and again more dependent on luck what kind of person it ends up with.
Also as long you discuss this in a civil manner and don’t deny people their rights here it is okay from a moderator standpoint. Also this is not the thread to deeply discuss political systems anyway, just to get an idea where people stand at.
definitely unheard of for sure lol. and yeah most monarchies nowadays are all ceremonial monarchies by definition
not someone who really cares for dictatorship. i’m more of the kind of person who prefers the government to not be in every little thing that it ends up bloating the system with endless bureaucracy, controlled command economy, and taking away peoples own hard earned property. the government should only step in when it is necessary to preserve the nation, peace, and order. tbh what made me kind of open up as well lately was being hit with a new sense of hope, direction, and interest by watching vids on right wing libertarian theory and economics and vids from a pro monarchist youtuber i’ve known for a long time. including being intrigued on some of solutions anarcho-capitalists have for the economy problems, better liberty, and the minimization of government which is why i tend to have more of a view of a functional monarchist rule that only steps in when needed and to preserve the tradition and values of a nation.
yeah fair point lol. just basically like i mentioned i’ve been kind of invigorated lately with a new sense of political philosophy and just wanting to learn and understand things more. and believe me i won’t deny any rights here or stop peoples freedom of speech. it is a free forum after all lol. it is always interesting to hear peoples stances in this thread in a respectful manner
i feel most people nowadays are either center left or center right which is completely understandable. i think every average person tends to be a bit moderate in a way.
I live in Americas two party system. I’m a boring middle of the road Liberal or centre left Democrat with three exceptions. I lean farther left towards the progressive wing of the party when it comes to workers rights and healthcare and I lean farther right towards the moderate republicans when it comes to gun control.
you can believe whatever you want about which party you think you identify with, but we live in Chicsgo. Everybody knows there are no Republicans in Chicago! They haven’t had the Mayors Office since 1931 
I’m thinking you meant to say you’re more of a blue dog Democrat than your parents who are typical mainstream Liberal Democrats.
(I’m just kidding Mano! I hope all is well with you. We should get together again sometime soon
it is honestly a rarity to see a republican or conservative in a blue state to begin with lol. also that is wild to hear there hasn’t been a single republican mayor in office there since 1931.
Yes that’s nearly 100 years .
There are republicans in Illinois though. Most of the state is red when you look at the election maps, but 9 out of our 12 or 13 million people live in or around Chicago and that population center controls the elections. We hear California is a deep blue state and that Texas is a deep red and we think the elections go 90-10 but it’s closer than you think. 55-45 or 60-40 is not unusual in the state wide elections of IL, CA, TX and FL. 10% is a large enough margin to call a state solidly blue or solidly red.
This is the results from the 2022 IL Governor Election
huh. never really done the calculations for that before with the whole 10% signifying a blue or red state. also i’d say if you read my conversation in here i’m probably an even bigger rarity lol.
The thing is, if you want monarchy, you opt-out of having an opinion on how things should go. You want to leave that decision to the monarch and trust them to be more capable to think than you do. As long they don’t take away too much of your crop so you survive while hopefully your male children return from the war he sent them to. 
A combo of being a monarchist and someone who wants a minimal state (which makes you more a traditional liberal) is a wild combo. Was there ever a monarch anywhere who was like that? Are you sure you really are both?
Oh I got no expectations on Chicago voting Republican anytime soon but it’s all good. And I’d definitely be down for another meet-up. 
i would say a mix and rather not as much traditional liberal but more right libertarian in aspects of liberty and a lot in right libertarian economics unless that is what trad liberal means. it’s hard to express all of my thoughts on my beliefs in an organized way and in a post. though idk if my beliefs classify it since it is a belief that has a name but i guess i probably am a libertarian monarchist. ik it probably sounds ridiculous lol. hopefully it doesn’t sound all confusing what i just wrote
damn quite a small world. didn’t realize you personally knew each other
We both happen to live in Chicago and finally first met a few years ago. Good times.
sounds pretty cool. if you don’t mind me asking what has you more center right in the first place? i ask cause i mostly roughly explained what my basis of belief and reason for it is and i wouldn’t mind hearing your perspective
I don’t mind the question but I don’t think this is the appropriate place to go in depth about it. If you seriously want to know, you can send me a PM and I’ll get back to you as soon as I can.
I had to think about this question for a long time, really. I know what my answer used to be, but I don’t think it’s the same today as it was even 5 years ago.
My dad was a really strict old-school conservative. He was for small government, low spending, low taxes, basically he just wanted the government to stay as far out of his way as possible. They were fine to make laws at the federal level but they had no business in the day-to-day lives of normal Americans.
I think I agreed with him, overall, for a really long time. When I was able to start voting, I eagerly voted for people like George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, and then George W. Bush. I was thrilled when Al Gore lost the 2000 presidential race. I voted for McCain over Obama and then Romney over Obama and was disappointed when Obama won (twice).
I hated the Clintons too. I found their ideas to be too overreaching and I listened to radio personalities like G. Gordon Liddy and Rush Limbaugh. I, embarrassingly, even voted for Trump in 2016 because he wasn’t a Clinton and wasn’t a politician.
Then Trump (the first time) started attempting to govern. He was miserable at it. Everything was blamed on Obama. Every tweet, every claim about why COVID was nothing to worry about, every time Trump opened his mouth made me regret that vote more and more.
I wasn’t ready to start decrying the right yet but I wasn’t able to vote for them anymore. I ended up voting for no body for President in 2020. I just couldn’t see my way to casting a vote for a Democrat but I could no longer support the Republican candidate.
Amazingly, Biden turned out to be “not that bad” and I wasn’t particularly harmed by any of his policies. He took what Trump had left him and actually made the country better (although I didn’t want to admit that at the time). Over that four years, watching what happened on January 6, watching the way Trump behaved going into the 2024 election, listening to the conspiracy theories about how the 2020 election was “stolen” from him, just kept pushing me farther and farther away from the right. Once the Republicans started pushing for Christian Nationalism though, that was the last straw. I’ve been an atheist for decades (definitively since about 12 years old, and probably earlier, really) and there was simply no room anymore in the Republican party for me. I was never a member - always identified as Independent. In 2024 I voted for Harris and based on the way that Trump still talks about elections being stolen, I suspect that Harris should have won if the 2024 election was actually fair and if Musk had stayed out of it.
Today, I don’t know where I sit politically, to be honest, but I know that I don’t support this whole “Make America Great Again” movement. I’m sick of billionaires getting everything they want just because they can pay politicians and make donations. I’m sick of Congress refusing to hold the President accountable for anything. I don’t support this pointless war in Iran. I don’t support most of the things outlined in that Project 2025 document. I will vote in November for Democrat candidates down the ticket because I cannot stand the current administration and want them investigated, removed, and prosecuted. They don’t speak for me and they don’t speak for most people in this country anymore.
I’m sure my father, that die-hard conservative would be appalled at what happened to “his” party, but politics is a pendulum and I predict that once Trump 2 is over, we’re going to see a pretty big swing the other direction (maybe even before Trump is gone). I’m hoping that the pendulum balances out somewhere towards the middle eventually, but I don’t have high hopes for that at the moment.
