TV Show Discussion Thread

Yeah… I’ll still watch the season, but I was also surprised by how sloooow this episode was, especially how it chooses to end itself.

With Part 1/Part 2, the one game ending on a tense note, the other starting addressing that tense note (Joel/Tommy opening scene) and then giving us a final cutscene of “normalcy” between Joel and Ellie before the time skip where things feel more isolating and drastically changed, there’s purpose to the unease it throws you, and fits the game’s depressing tone very well. (You only hear vague details about the Dance night, off-screen plans with Joel to look forward to, a clear “rugged survivor” tone to Ellie to show her evolution in being independent and more mature)

The game’s opening scene with Joel explaining his secret to Tommy, up until the Title Card for the game, is absolutely 10/10 peak, “Oh no consequences are gonna happen!” regarding Part 1. The TV show doesn’t hold a candle especially since it offers too little characterization of Abby’s group for it to have that same oomph before the time skip.

With the show, in terms of Joel and Ellie, the tone feels all over the place and way too casual or normal for most of the runtime, and only finally gets interesting by the end when it starts to reveal its cards regarding the pair’s strained relationship. Then it just ends.

  • I like how it incorporates Joel’s construction background in showing how he supports Jackson day-to-day (something the game barely touches), but it could have benefitted from showing him still stuck in his ruthless, dark survivor ways, either in a brief excursion, or conflict with a character.
  • Ellie’s scenes are all over the place. Her behaving incredibly recklessly while on patrol with Tommy, then acting incredibly immature with Dina when tracking Infected later… even doing a whole ‘charades’ bit with a knife while sneaking/hiding from incredibly dangerous clickers around a corner…!! It feels hokey. The pair had a silly dynamic in the game for levity, but not to a life-threatening degree in a clearly dangerous situation.
    Apart from that, Bella Ramsey is great at being more distant and angsty to Joel, clearly holding something back behind those eyes the show will reveal later.
  • I don’t mind shifting some of the end-game scenes of Jackson to early on here… It makes sense chronologically, and establishes the new norms of character relationships, while still being vague as to the root of their issue.
  • Speaking of Root, the reveal of mushroom tendrils in the construction pipe was a freaky reveal, and I think is HBO setting up both a cool way to explain a massive herd of infected finding their way to Jackson, and a way for Joel and Ellie to be pushed out of Jackson, confronted with the Horde, and bump into Abby without it feeling like 3 coincidences happening at the same time on a random tuesday afternoon…

Honestly I found the premiere great at expanding on and featuring scenes that either the game didn’t or couldn’t show, because it’s a stealth-action game and it could have disrupted the pacing. (I still believe we needed more Jackson scenes in-game before the Big Moment, really flesh out the world and “new normal”)
And the show does that! It really remixes when certain Jackson scenes take place, putting a lot of the late-game flashbacks to That Fateful Day by the end of the episode, and takes its time with letting us soak in these beloved characters. (Also it has a TENSE AF Stalker infected scene, I didn’t know they’d pull off their spookyness so well, and expands on characters like Eugene from the game with a new related character…)

But Episode 1 could definitely have been 30 minutes longer. Give the audience a bit of a bigger cliffhanger. Reveal more about Abby’s group showing up at the end for a darker impact. Or something more interesting as a hook than just “hey the guys from the opening scene showed up”.

Season 1 had a packed 90 minute premiere, and took its time establishing the world, but also some character mysteries, the main inciting incident, and a neat bow tying together the depressing opening with Sarah to Joel’s trauma coming back to haunt him with Ellie suddenly under his protection.

I’m not sure how else Episode 1 could have ended, other than Golf being a very clear hard-cut major moment, but I know why they might not want to play that hand in the very first episode – especially with Pedro Pascal on the payroll…)

6 Episodes after this. Wow. Really.
From what I can gather from trailers, I bet we’re getting one more Jackson episode, a full Flashback episode on the WLF/Seraphite conflict like the Bill Episode in S1, then the rest for Ellie’s Seattle Quest and a sprinkle of Abby’s Motivation Reveal somwhere in there…
For some reason I have a hard time believing it’ll have enough time to get to The Theater Confrontation as the final scene, but Craig and Neil have mentioned they’ll be playing around with and adapting parts of the Game script in entirely new ways if it serves the TV format better.

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Yooooo Love Death and Robots is getting a Season 4! Next month!! Woooo!

Also, I could be wrong, but looks like we might get a sequel to Sonnie’s Edge and Night of the Tiny Dead? (At least with Tiny Dead it’s clear they’re doing a similar tilt-shift isometric animation but with aliens instead.)

Edit: just read that the last season was in May 2022!! It’s been 3 years, really??
Wow. The same team worked on the Secret Level show which was on Amazon last year so I guess that’s why there’s such a gap. Here’s hoping for some great shorts! (I’ve heard the Secret Level show was really lacking and dull, somehow… hmmm.)

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Well that Last of Us episode sure was heavy…
And also really tense!

They had us game players good with that Attack on Jackson scene! Damn, edge of my seat action! I was like “this wasn’t in the game!! what the heck is gonna happen to these people oh nooo!”

For my parents, yeah, the whole episode was pretty tense. With the looming storm getting worse, Abby making stupid decisions in the snow and running from a horde, then running into Joel, then getting her chance
Oooooh, boy…

Overall I think I quite like a lot of the changes, slower pace, and remix of when scenes take place compared to the game.

When it came to that scene, well, there’s both good and bad. Neither the game’s or the show’s was perfect, IMO. Game had better atmosphere, show had better focus on Abby’s group being uneasy.
Various other things, which I might get into later once I gather my thoughts.

There’s still some unique Joel scenes that are new in trailers, along with a few recognizable ones (the Intro Guitar scene with him), so we should be getting a few more Joel flashbacks like the game. Nice.
I quite like Pedro Pascal, so his death really shocked me and depressed me, again…

It was kind of funny though to see my Mom hadn’t believed he’d died until they were dragging his bagged corpse on horseback after. She turned to me with shock on her face like, “He’s Really Dead this early??” Oof. Yup.

This is only Episode 2 of 7… I feel like we might not have enough time to get to the Theater confrontation, they’re definitely gonna mix things up, I wonder how that’ll be.

Overall though, I will say so far, Season 2 is good. But I think the game Part II has a 10/10 tense, dark, uneasy opening that builds off of the previous “Swear to Me.” scene perfectly, practically immediately. It’s just so good and the show fans are missing out.

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I really thought they’d wait till the penultimate episode to kill Joel, drawing out the second game to 2-3 seasons of tv, pacing things differently throughout — but they did it, those mad lads went right ahead and stuck to the schedule of the game. I am happy to be proven wrong, and about half as devastated as I was when playing the game.

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The Show Version goes on a little too longer than it should have. A lot of the shock isn’t there unlike the game, but it’s simply because of how they’re approaching Abby as a character this time around where the show’s version makes her more sympathetic, but then because of this it brings Joel’s character into question where he doesn’t even attempt to rationalize what he did and why he did it. This would’ve been all well and fine if it was similar to the game, but it again was drawn out to where there’s moments where it’s just Joel sitting there in silence as Abby is doing her speech.

The Season 2 adaptation is definitely a reaction to critiques of Part 2. But I still feel the way they’re going about these changes now for TV while they “eliminate issues” they create entirely new ones. It’s not a testament to the quality of episode 2 since S2E2 is far better than S2E1. But because of how Part 2 as a game tells its story i still don’t think it’s gonna translate well onto film as it unfolds.

That big scene that we all know about compared to its Video Game Counterpart is worse in quality, but it’s because of the changes where they added to it. But by extension Joel as a character they do nothing with him and he’s just a punching bag. It would have worked, it could have worked, but I’m speaking in circles now.

What made Part 1 as a game from a good game to a great game was its morally complex ending. If Ellie died on that table Story’s over. Game would have been received well, but it probably wouldn’t be as remembered compared to what we got. Joel at the end of the day did what any person in a paternal role would do and that’s choose my kid over the greater good. It’s selfish, but it’s a more effective decision. They could have played into that more during the lodge scene, but that’s not the case.

Regardless Episode 2 is good and worth a watch.

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