The opposite of intrinsic isn’t nothing. Extrinsic value is still value.
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A make-believe value.
What made you this nihilistic
He’s had a really rough few weeks with his dog.
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But hes always been like this
Not always, just for the last 17 years or so after a rather unfortunate epiphany. It comes back now and then in moments of extreme stress. I become the Sulk.
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I agree.
Since my father has lung cancer, I think about death a lot. Way too much than it’s good for me. And since he will die because of this cancer, I don’t want to even think that his life was meaningless, because it was not. Especially not for me and many people who knew him.
Sorry if I may sound a bit angry. But it annoys me when people say, life is meaningless 
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all values are “make believe”; that string in the maze thing from earlier.
Precisely. Nothing actually has any value.
you’re looking for something extrinsic to give us value, but value is something we construct from within; we always have. you have values, they mean something to you, and that’s all that matters.
what do you think ‘value’ means?
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The Heisenberg Parameters of Perfection have no value
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And we’ve reached the looping point, because my response would just be a lengthier version of what I just said. It’s at this point such discussions always get out of control, so I’m hitting the escape pod button. Knew I was asking for a headache with that reincarnation question, but I’m not part of any other groups and have no one else to ask.
There, that’s a good example.
fair enough. still interested in what you think ‘value’ means though.
Value is how much one thing’s purpose affects another thing’s purpose. Food, for example, would seem to have a high value to humans, as it’s purpose - sustaining us - allows us to continue on in existence to serve our own purpose. Yet, as humans have no purpose (unless you consider us to be an extinction event for Earth to reset), that value is false, because that food is not really helping further any purpose at all.
so if something doesn’t provide utility, it has no value, right? further, because (logical leap) humans have no discernible purpose/utility since (logical leap) they eventually die, humans have (logical leap) no value and thus anything that provides utility to us doesn’t have value.
am i getting that right…?
don’t worry, i won’t drag this out after this. 
That’s it, exactly. To clarify, I am perfectly willing to admit that this is simply a perspective, so I could very well be wrong in all of this. I know that; you can’t have a rational mind and not keep that in your back pocket. I just haven’t been convinced otherwise to be able to see another perspective for nearly two decades.
^This guy knows fiat currency
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i don’t really follow the logic, but fair play to you for getting out of bed every morning for the last 17 years with that rattling in your bone box.
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Oh yeah. People I work with say that I tire them, and I’m like, “You?!” I then point at my head, “You haven’t had to listen to this, every waking moment, non-stop, for the last (however old I am while saying this) years! This never shuts up. You only have to hear me when I decide to talk.”
we all have our crosses to bear. unsurprisingly, people just find me really annoying because, well, i’m an annoying prick. 
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