What about using the EMP device rather than the dongle by KOing the church scientist? Does that square with a canonical ghost run?
You could if you’re allowing the “one banana” rule. There’s probably a place along the scientist’s route from the morgue to the cave entrance where someone littering a banana wouldn’t be too out of place.
The original ruleset here says “No bombing materials (or other electronics you can’t get back after use) can be used”, which would include the EMP device as “other electronics”.
On the other hand, you might argue that the EMP device disappearing after use is just a game mechanic and 47 could easily put it back in his pocket.
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It’s not the borrowing. It’s the fact you’re leaving yours behind. Someone can pass by and see it. But when i say someone pass by, I’m only saying it based on npc that has that route. If a disguise is there and no npc walks close to it, then yes, i would say its fine to use it.
Also included in my “hardcore” settings, a disguise change takes 2 minutes (or more) of me standing there simulating the time it takes to actually change and stuff my current clothes into the bag.
As i previously mentioned, i think using the 5mm pistol on the stalactite is acceptable because where you can shoot it from, there would be no evidence that could be found from that gun. Plus the rock that falls on the virus, that would not have any hard evidence that someone shot that down. There’s plenty of guards there with guns do it could have been anyone. Plus there wouldn’t be any real investigation as Ether would not allow outside interference to occur.
So yes i understand the no bullets rule but it should only apply if the logic of its use contradicts the realistic side of the investigation which it doesn’t if you do it right (5mm gun, location of the shot, etc etc)
It’s just like the divide logic that was mentioned before. Yes it loses SA gameplay wise, but logically it does as it’s made to look like a suicide.
Or you could do an “EMP briefcase” (i.e. trigger the device while it’s inside a briefcase to contain any debris).
Oddly, when I tried that just now, the used device remained in the briefcase. Taking it out and placing it gave a nonfunctional detonator that didn’t show up in inventory.
My rule is you cannot leave any equipment behind. I’ve never used the EMP, but I believe from what I saw on video it’s like the taser in that you can’t pick it up after it has been used. So, that would be leaving evidence behind.
I did not know that! Sounds like a great solution.
Guillermo used the banana to get the dongle in his run. He placed it outside the confessional, which she slipped on after talking to the priest. It works and is within my revised rules of one environmental knockdown allowed per map.
What’s your stance on equipment that is found on the map, like the car explosive in Miami or the C4 in Whittleton?
I’m trying to think of a disguise that has someone pass by that I used. I didn’t use the one in Colorado with the elite commandos. In fact, that one is not available on master difficulty.
I used the mansion staff in Sapienza, which no one walks past. That might be it. I think all others are suit only or I start in a disguise. However, I could be forgetting one.
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Guillermo used bombs he found on the map as distractions to move guards out of the way. Got no problem with that. Not sure about using them to kill. To get an accident kill you’d have to blow up a car or a tank or something, and then the fragments would let investigators know it was murder, not an accident. If you can think of a way to use them to kill and not leave any evidence behind … OK. But I can’t think of a way to do that.
An alternative way to think about it is that, if evidence must be left behind, can that evidence be interpreted as something else?
What about using them as distractions (like, using the explosion to clear guards from an area or send targets into lockdown)?
As for chaining them into “accidental” explosive material, I think a case can be made for nitro vials in Colorado and Miami. If a battery being too close to propane or oil is seen as accidental, would a nitro vial falling onto an “accident source” count as a valid trigger for the accident?
Finally got a roleplaying Haven run that I’m very happy with.
Doesn’t meet this thread’s Ghost rules as I use the Sieker for two emetic NPC movements and 2x silenced pistol shots (one to gain access to the Lethal Pills and Emetic Syringe, and one to take out the camera recorders), but I’ve only just figured out reliable timings for planting a Muffin in Portman’s hut to get him to leave and enable the Ljudmila/Steven meeting at the Massage building.
My personal rules used:
- Silent Assassin
- Suit Only (actually, for roleplaying purposes I change into Swimwear so that I don’t take my sharp Tropical Suit for a dip in the sea, but they’re both functionally Suits so no disguises are used in the run)
- Accidents / Poison Only
- No KOs
- No Running
- No HUD (other than Picture-in-Picture to show the kills when they happen)
- Tyson Williams killed while 47 speaks on the phone to Ljudmila Vetrova, thereby creating an alibi
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You get to set your own ghost rules. I used the nitro to kill Sean Rose, but that was a packing mistake. If you throw it, that gets a little harder to justify. What is it doing over there? How did it get there? Would it tip off the investigator that it wasn’t an accident?
Any bomb that explodes will leave fragments. So, even if it’s a distraction, they will figure out the cause and then know someone was there. So I wouldn’t do it.
If you just need to move a guard out of the way, letting them find an explosive and then take a long walk to store it properly is a brilliant idea. Blowing up a car, that I would want to know why it blew up.
Nice run. I didn’t use any poisons in my run of the maps. Would have made life so much easier. The Tyson Williams kill was the most difficult of all the ones I did, but that was because I was an idiot. Probably the only person in history to do a suit only drowning of Tyson in the hot tub. No one else is that foolish. I finally figured it out, then found out from Anomie that I could have just used a disguise that has gloves. However, since I worked so hard on it, decided to post that suit only drowning.
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To continue the H2 maps, here’s Miami. I wish I didn’t have to use a save here, but I was getting random non-target kills, which is strange because that hasn’t happened to me on professional mode
Third map, Santa Fortuna. Not hard but very ass numbingly long, a lot of walkin and waiting around. I thought of cutting the parts with a lot of waiting to make the run less boring to watch, but I decided to leave the full unedited run. There is an abrupt cut halfway through because my PS4 got an aneurysm and decided to stop the recordibg for like 10 seconds.
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You have a much cleaner Miami run that I did, and a lot faster. I got a non-target kill every time I tried the two kills with one shove tactic, so I gave that up.
And Robert’s bodyguard glitched out and just stood there every time I killed Knox before he put the gun down too. Quite annoying.
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Yeah, that kill has been broken for SA purposes for years now.
In Santa Fortuna, two of your kills differ from mine, but I still had a lot of distance to travel and a lot of sitting around and waiting. I think it’s just the map. If I remember right, even speed runners on their world records take longer on this map than they do others.
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Mumbai.
Whittleton Creek. So far Cassidy has been the hardest H2 target, I have yet to do Sgail, so time will tell if that is harder. I made an oopsie and thought the microfilm would give me the last clue, but other than that I liked this run.
Ambrose Island. Technically not a H2 map, but it’s what’s next chronologically. I liked this run a lot until Akka, where I had to wait a while.
Also, is using car batteries to electrocute allowed?
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I used a car battery to electrocute Cassidy, so I vote yes!