Can you ghost run all WoA maps?

Thought that might be the case. I was looking for a wrench. Should have checked Hitmaps. I was able to do a ghost run of all of the first season on master difficulty, including Bangkok. I walked right past the basement guards in my Gardner disguise. And I used the handgun in the security hub to stop Jordan’s guards from coming into the bathroom.

Thanks to everyone for your help and ideas. On to Hitman 2.

I find this wrong. If you want to be a ghost, shouldn’t you NOT wear gloves? Wearing gloves makes you look suspicious. I mean it’s ok to wear them if you’re 100% never gonna get seen by anybody but when you’re in public, especially in places like Paris or Dubai, people are gonna look at your suspiciously if your walking around with gloves on.

No? Lol

People wear gloves all the time, and it’s more common since the pandemic. Working, driving, just trying to avoid touching anything. Besides, better to look vaguely suspicious than leave actual hard evidence behind.

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Good point. I considered some disguises without gloves. I’d love to be the Hacker in Colorado, would have made that a lot easier. But, decided I wouldn’t be able to open a door, go through a window, climb up or down a pipe, etc. That would be hard.

The HPP rules are probably the standard, but I don’t have the patience to walk everywhere. But, if you’re trying not to stand out, that’s the way to do it.

I’m going for a lesser standard. It’s challenging and making an old game fun again.

But it’s better to not leave ANY evidence behind than to look vaguely suspicious. :wink:

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If you’re not wearing gloves, you’re leaving behind fingerprints at the very least, possibly DNA from sweat or cuts at worst. Not to mention possibly carrying someone else’s DNA or proof of your handling certain chemicals that could be traced to a kill on your skin, which in some cases can take days to completely wash off, as opposed to getting such things on gloves, which can simply be discarded and/or burned.

Depends what you’re touching. If you’re opening a door, there’s also many other people opening that door. So that doesn’t work. The other things then, just don’t touch them.

And what about footprints? Should you not even enter the area?

What if you have to sneeze? You’re screwed.
Sigh.

What about the fibers from your clothing? Should you come in naked?

Just cuz you leave this “evidence” behind, it doesn’t do anything.

You can sweat from your head so should you wear a cotton mask? And keyword: possibly.
Not very conclusive.

Then cause an accident or use tasteless/traceless poison.

And even if it’s on your skin, why does that matter? You’re already gone after the kill and back at your safehouse for months until the next contract.

But that’s also everybody else there. And standing around by yourself walking around and talking to nobody can possibly make you stand out and memorable when police ask questions to others even after you’re gone. So Maybe smile more and mingle. Be less obvious. Lmao

But there is no reason to increase the risk or tempt the possibility. Someone just looking suspicious because they’re wearing gloves - which does not even rise to the level of reasonable suspicion, never mind probable cause, to be clear - can be explained away if questioned. Having something on your hands or from your hands directly tied to the assassination with physical evidence is far more difficult to justify, never mind explain away. Shoe prints, sweat through your head, clothing fibers, all real possibilities, all also significantly less likely to leave evidence that could directly tie you to a murder than what can come off of or adhere to your most commonly used tools when committing a crime: your hands. Those things being found at a crime scene only show that you were there. Fingerprints and DNA from your hands, or the victim’s DNA on your hands, that can be used to prove you did it.

Also, I don’t think you understood me when I said handling certain chemicals that can be traced to a murder. Poisons, flammable substances, gun powder residue, things like that can leave traces that adheres to your skin. Simply using “traceless”’poisons (no such actual thing) or causing an accident is not a guarantee of not being tied to it. Especially if the poison bottle or the equipment used to cause the accident have your prints on them, likely leading to the conclusion that you caused them. Hands protected with gloves when doing them? Chances decrease significantly. Get caught with the gloves before you can ditch them and traces are found on them? Well, you found the gloves lying around, thought they looked cool, decided to put them on since they’re yours for finding them now. Suspicious, but possible reasonable doubt to a jury.

What’s there to justify when you’re already gone?

You did read the entire post, right? I already mentioned being stopped for questioning.

Why would you be stopped if you properly eliminate the target and hide the body? They wouldn’t find it until you’re already gone.

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Dude, you’re assuming that you could only be stopped somewhere in connection with your assassination activities. You need to think of everything that could potentially go wrong, even things that have nothing to do with you even being there.

Huh? It’s a video game and I’m playing in a video game world where things only happen if i cause it to happen.

What are you talking about?

Well, first of all, we’re approaching this - at least, I was under the impression we were approaching this - from the perspective of treating this as real as possible, within the confines of the universe it occurs in. The whole reason to not want to leave evidence is because in-universe there will be investigations. Otherwise, there is no evidence to leave except a body, and as long as there’s no witnesses, there’s no way to be busted.

I assumed that’s how this discussion was being approached, since your original comment on it was about looking suspicious in gloves. You only look suspicious by doing something like attacking someone or aiming a weapon, or by being somewhere you’re not supposed to. Walking through Dubai - one of the examples you provided - while wearing gloves is not going to make you look suspicious within the confines of you just playing a video game, because that is not something that the video game has been programmed to find suspicious. You can “be a ghost” while walking through the lobby of a New York bank in a blue flamingo outfit and it won’t make the game think you’re suspicious. So your entire establishing argument falls apart if you just default to treating it only like a game.

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Yes the universe it occurs.

Yes, something you’re doing in the universe so taking that into account with realism. Like if you’re running with a propane tank around Paris

Assuming that Dalia will take out a gun and shoot novikov, isn’t something that happens in THIS universe.

WHICH AGAIN, makes me confused. Were we not talking about what’s happening in the hitman universe and taking that to the level of “realism”?

Yes, we were, so what’s confusing you?

@mavor88 Feel free to give me a ping if you want to talk gameplay again. :slightly_smiling_face: Since this thread has turned into yet another iteration of someone debating a theory of CSI: WoA with Heisenberg, I’m going to stop reading it otherwise.

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The fact that you’re not in the hitman world but in the actual world. Talking about things like this:

This has nothing to do with the hitman world. Nothing can go wrong unless i make it go wrong.
Hence dalia pulling out a gun and shooting novikov so the entire place goes into lockdown and all guests are not allowed to leave until they are investigated. This would never happen so there’s no potential of this or anything else going wrong that has nothing to do with me.

So that’s why I’m confused cuz you’re talking about things that don’t occur in the game.
The conversation is about playing hitman as realistic as possible in the game as it is and not making things/events up.

If you’re going to play “realistically” to the point that wearing gloves is “suspicious,” then you’re not playing realistically in terms of the game; you’re playing it realistically in terms of our world, and how the world inside the game would act if it was our world. If you’re going to say that gloves are suspicious, then you have to ask why they would be, and that starts a rabbit hole that has nothing to do with the world of the game, only if you treat the world of the game like our world, which is the whole reason why one would find appeal in wearing an outfit with gloves to begin with. So, you need to make up your mind on this discussion; is it just playing the game, or are you treating it as more? If the former, then your original statement of wearing the gloves seeming wrong cannot hold as true. If the latter, my points prior to here stand.