Do you like the end of Agent 47?

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New life?



Or continue the rode of Assassination?

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i didn’t like 47 turning into an oligarch-fighting vigilante… but if it provides new gameplay opportunities (like the anticipated freelance mode), i am down for that

i loved the C:47 ending though. they should have shown THAT in 47’s dream, instead of the cheesy visions of 47’s targets, or the forced melodrama of the car bomb. it would have really played into 47’s fear of being a tool

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I think when 47 heard that sentence, he almost cried.But “Devil Never Cry”,isn’t it?:joy::joy:

So he lay down again…What a charming man! :star_struck:

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Also for unsatisfying end

thats some impressive work tho

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Seriously though, I thought it was fine. Ended open-ended enough to continue it in the future, with 47 and Diana still best buds. All I could want from the main plot.

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Well it makes sense. The ICA is no more (and the devs clearly don’t want it to come back, which I at least appreciate the commitment to doing), so 47 and Diana need money and to get influence in the underworld after the wake of the whole ICA papers incident. So long as it’s Hitman, i’m not one to complain.

The whole point of the dream sequence is to show 47’s insecurities and be a bunch of continuity porn and fanservice and his panic on what’s going to happen to him with Diana “”“betraying”"" him. I don’t find it cheesy in the slightest, if anything it’s a good look into how vulnerable 47’s psyche is, now that he can feel things for the first time since 1989.

It represents him embracing his memories and past, I don’t really see it as melodramatic, I see it as being perfectly dramatic and fits the tone; him…well…embracing what he’s done to move forward, especially when what he did was to someone who, asides from Grey, has always been the closest to him. It’s kind of an important moment, honestly.

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I got to the end! Did this pop up for anyone else in here?

Urben Survival

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I was half expecting that to be animated.

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With the satisfying sound effect? :rofl:

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You people can be lucky the chain was limited for you, I actually entered as much as the forum let me and it is much much longer. :joy:

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Ooh, that reminds me that The Stanley Parable: Ultra Deluxe Edition is just around the corner. Wahoo!

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It’s finally coming? I have waited that game for 2 years, atleast.

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Definitely before this summer, see the Crows Crows Crows Twitter for details.

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Yes that was the reference. :wink: Can’t wait either!

People stop the off topic grr

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It’s hard when you’re a mod to get things back on track when YOU started the derailment, huh? :joy:

i never really bought that 47 felt any guilt for killing his targets. they were all evil and corrupt people in positions of power. even the least bad target (jordan cross) is still kind of a dick. and i never believed that diana was going to betray 47. she already fake betrayed him last time in blood money, and they just decided to rehash that

i hated the retcons in the story including 47 killing diana’s parents, so i saw the car bomb as forced drama

Agreed. But this is also forced:

Too convenient. Every target is bad, so the hitman killing them all is actually the good guy! Meh.

That’s why I’m happy there’s targets like Dino Bosco in the game. Sure he’s a demanding prick, but he wasn’t evil or corrupt. Honestly, he just wanted to make good movie. His only “crime” is he ran over budget. :joy:

I don’t think that’s what’s going on. And he didn’t have any emotions for the great majority of these games. Far as we know, he still doesn’t hold any regrets for killing the past 3 games’ targets. The targets are in his head as his fears are being brought to the forefront and “”“Diana”"" is toying with him with fears that he’s failed. Fears he’s never had to have before.

I found quite a few exceptions:

  • Caruso and Franny: It’s hard to call Caruso evil, considering the amount of…issues the guy has, and even Francesca comes off as wanting to climb within ETHER. Both are in powerful-ish positions, granted, and Caruso did want Abiatti to be killed (though as we see for ourselves in Landslide, Abiatti is quite powerful, and Caruso’s doing it to save Sapienza from his clutches more than for his own sakes). Franny may be a bad person, but not evil or corrupt I don’t think.
  • Strandberg is an asshole; not necessarily evil, but a corrupt banker that nobody, not even Providence, likes. Reza is similarly not well respected among his army, and is only really the figurehead for the coup. I’ll admit this qualifies, but it’s a weird one.
  • Jordan is not evil, nor is he corrupt. Hell, it’s something of an ironic problem for him where he calls daddy on the first sign of trouble.
  • None of the militia members are outright evil to be honest or abusing power. Berg, Parvati and Rose are bad people, sure, but they’re not really evil (and the one Heinous act Rose has done, he’s not exactly happy about). Graves is even noted by Diana to basically be something of an oddity (making her more innocent than Jordan; she got disillusioned with interpol, and there’s nothing to suggest she’s evil or corrupt).
  • Sean 2 is a dope and Alma are just bad people. They’re not any more than 47 is.
  • Sierra Knox bullies people to get what she wants, but that’s where her evilness ends. She isn’t really corrupt, and is even somewhat protective of her father who DID abuse his power by selling tech to Jin Po.
  • Vanya, Wazir and Dawood aren’t really evil or corrupt, and are just bullies with a small amount of power. Hell, it’s hard not to feel sorry for Vanya considering how broken her entire mental state is.
  • Athena is just a dick, more than being evil, though you can argue she is corrupt (the break-in was entirely orchestrated so certain files on sales and earning wouldn’t get found).
  • None of the Haven Trio are particularly corrupt. They don’t kill people, and the most Bradley and Ljudmilla do is con Tyson so the former can leave. Backstabbing conniving SOB’s with some level of power with biography erasure sure, but not corrupt or evil.
  • The ICA Agents are literally targets because they’re assigned to kill you. They are no more evil or corrupt than 47 is; arguably less so.
  • Little miss edgy (Royce) isn’t very evil, and certainly isn’t corrupt. Freethinker with a mad hard-on for routines and tech, sure.

Something people forget is that there are different type of retcons, and I have a feeling you’re confusing a “hard retcon” with a “revision retcon”:

  • Hard Retcon: Writer changes a part of the story that was already explicitly written out as events that happened.
  • Revision Retcon: This is a specific type of retcon where a writer adds more information to previous events, thus expanding the canon without contradicting or altering past events that were established to have happened. This is what Hitman uses.

Also, and I really need to make this clear; Retcons are not inherently bad. It depends on how it’s handled.

For this trilogy The writers made quite sure to keep things consistent for about 99% of the story (which, considering the trilogy spans three games, a prequel comic book, and even ropes in a book from 2006 barely anybody read as a plot point, this is no easy feat to do). That’s not hyperbole btw, It took me a good while to find any meaningful hard retcon, and the best I can find is in Janus’s bio (47 apparently goes after him before the Marchand hit, which is never explained or elaborated on anywhere else).

Welcome to History repeating itself. It’s something of a common theme in the Hitman games.

I really need to sleep. This was a pain to edit and check btw.

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