Freelancer - General Discussion

Don’t know if this is the right place for this, but I just got my first fail in Freelancer, and I’m so pissed because it was in the dumbest way imaginable.

It was in Mumbai and I was trying to get the ‘Collateral Kill: Accident’ objective done. My last target was the “maybe he’s a travelling salesman or something” guy in the chawls. My plan was to dump a leaking propane flask near the target, then to drop a gun nearby so that the target would bring a guard over (since there’s no Mercers penalty for killing guards).

It worked perfectly … EXCEPT for the fact that I failed to realise my target was lighting a cigarette; causing the propane flask to obliterate the guard, the target, and me. And of course it was on an alerted territory. I’m at mastery 60-something, and this is the first time I’ve failed a campaign. I accept that it was entirely my fault, but I’m still so pissed about it. At least I killed the bastard though.

I’ve honestly kind of lost the motivation to play now. Has anyone else had this? My perfect run is ruined. No matter how well I do from now on, it’ll never be perfect and that will just eat away at me forever. I’ve ruined 47’s perfect record. I suppose I at least have an excuse to grind all the fail-related challenges now; which I was planning on avoiding altogether. I’ll have to wear the clown outfit when I do just to match how I feel.

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He’s already done that in Contracts…and Blood Money (sorta)…and in the canon novelizations…

Don’t be so hard on yourself!

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I’d love to be a fly on the wall when someone is calling in a hit for 47 to carry out “yes, I want the flamingo assassinated. Now, you don’t HAVE to do this… but I would pay extra if you took him out with a katana… oh and distract him temporarily first… oh and can you take out three security guards with a shotgun on your way out? Cheers 47, you’re doing me a solid, here.”

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“yeah and can you emetically poison some random guard on your way out? Not because it relates to the contract, I just want some random guy to have the worst day at work ever because of me.”

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Uh, he didn’t do that in any of those games. And those novels are not canon. Damnation never was regardless of what IOI says, that claim was just a marketing gimmick. 47 behaves in ways he never would and it reads more like poor fanfiction. And Enemy Within, while being closer to an actual Hitman story, flat can’t be canon anymore because of WoA. So those two are out.

Contracts didn’t have his record ruined anywhere; he completed every contract he had in the game. If you’re referring to 47 getting shot, that’s not part of his record, the contract was over. That was part of the Agency being under attack by the Franchise. Inspector Fournier was one of their operatives, and while there’s debate of whether it was Fournier or Parchezzi who shot 47, Fournier was sent to finish him off, and in killing him, 47 protected himself and killed one of the enemy’s operatives.

Blood Money doesn’t have his record ruined. Every instance of 47 killing someone he wasn’t contracted to was either for his own survival and anonymity (question mark lady, Rick Henderson, the priest, the Franchise agents, Cayne), or in protecting the secrecy of ICA in accordance with their procedures (question mark lady, the delivery guy).

Codename: 47 didn’t have it either, since any non-target kills are later rendered non-canon through the retelling in Contacts to match the rest of the series. Silent Assassin had him kill Charlie Sidjan’s brother unknowingly, but that was the problem of the client and their intel being wrong. Even if he had killed the correct brother, they would have discovered that there was a twin and would have had him kill the twin anyway to be sure of which one was the true target. For all we know, that’s what we did anyway; they never clearly said which one was really Charlie.

Absolution didn’t have his record ruined by his sparing Diana, because Diana was the actual client, with Travis being manipulated into paying 47 the up-front fee to get him to Diana to explain why she went into hiding and to protect Victoria from all threats and kill Travis. So that contract was completed.

Even in WoA, 47’s record is intact. Mark Faba’s canonicity is questionable, with the remarks from Vidal being more like Easter Eggs than confirmation of series events, but even if true, it’s not likely that The Undying Returns was canon, with 47 succeeding the first time, and even if it were canon, it’s the same contract still open, and so 47 just needed longer than usual to complete it, but he did so after the second encounter. The backstory that his attempt to get Janus in the 90s failed isn’t part of 47’s record because that was when he was still in training under Ort-Meyer, and going after Janus wasn’t an official contract. Even so, he ends up killing him in the game anyway, making it a very long-lived contract even if you do count it, but a successful one. Even the contract on the Shadow Client and the militia was completed. 47 stopped the militia by killing its top leaders, officially by the end of Ambrose, and in Dartmoor, 47 technically caused Grey’s death by proxy because he didn’t listen to him to run, forcing Grey to shoot himself to protect 47, meaning 47 did kill the Shadow Client after all.

47’s perfect record is still intact as of the events of Freelancer.

As for me feeling like I’ve ruined that record in Freelancer, I’m not going to start counting it until I’ve unlocked everything, and then I’ll start counting it, and playing in accordance to the Heisenberg Parameters of Perfection.

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Until I came along. :wink:

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I added to it. If you look at it in a similar way, it might help take the pressure off you. I hope.

My plan was to get to Mastery 100, and then maybe grind out all the fail-related challenges afterwards. That way I could be like “Ok, Freelancer is complete. What happens now isn’t canon” or something.

I know there’s a disconnect between story and gameplay; as there is with most video games. If you want, you can play 47 as a bloodthirsty genocidal maniac who doesn’t know the meaning of the word ‘subtlety’, but that obviously isn’t what he’s like canonically.

I try to play as ‘perfect’ as possible, since I feel like that’s just how 47 is as a character. I feel like me irreparably fucking up in Freelancer just does a disservice to the character. Like, 47’s perfect career is now ruined and it can never be undone. It just really kills my motivation to keep playing because I feel like I’ve just permanently tainted it .

I know it’s only a game ultimately and I’m thinking too hard about it, but I just find fucking up like I did so irritating and demoralising.

I knew that my post would summon you in here, I just didn’t expect your rebuttal to be so long!

To be fair, I interpreted “perfect record” as how we would see SA–47’s detection by law enforcement in Contracts, and killing non-targets throughout some parts of the series would constitute breaking perfection to me. Besides, I’m sure 47 has misplaced a screwdriver here and there throughout the series…rendering him imperfect under the HPP. :joy:

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Hey, when it comes to defending the lore, I don’t fuck around.

That’s not his “record,” though. His perfect record that’s referred to is that he always kills his targets, has no collateral damage, and he does not expose himself, the agency, or the client. Killing people outside of the contract for his own preservation doesn’t affect that.

The HPP is simply the furthest extension of 47’s style of being a perfect assassin. It really only applies in the WoA era, where he’s refined his craft to an unthinkable level. In past games, not only would the HPP be impractical to impossible on a technical level, but 47 was still improving, even though he was already better than any other professional killer before even leaving the asylum. Not following some of the more strict aspects of the HPP, such as completely removing items from a crime scene while trying to arrange an accident, in the C47-Absolution era would not render 47 imperfect; rather, it would just be perfection on a lower tier. Still perfect, but within broader, more lenient parameters.

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This quote and your ENTIRE post is inaccurate in plotting 47’s record and how “perfect” people think it is. IO has written the character to on numerous occasions have imperfections Lets go through each game one by one and showcase why he and his record isn’t perfect

Codename 47: In the Lee Hong Assassination 47 screws up his initial assassination attempt on Lee Hong! Literally the first major character assassination in the games that we partake in and 47 messes up in a super significant way

Instead Tzun tastes the soup and in the resulting confrontation Lee Hong escapes back to the mansion fortress! In Say Hello to my Little Friend 47’s initial shot intending to kill Ochoa primarily fails, and he causes a major ruckus and requires several more shots before going down. In meet your brother 47 throws all sense of stealth and subtly out the window as he guns down all of the Mr. 48’s and asylum staff. Additionally in the beginning of Hitman 2: Silent Assassin showcases that he went on a major killing spree on his way out as well (so you probably can’t use the contracts version and say he didn’t kill anybody), killing orderly members and SWAT as seen on surveillance. Not very “silent assassin” at all.

Although Contracts is a retelling of a lot of the stories of Codename 47, you fail to see that Contracts intentionally had several elements be wrong in the naming schemes and details of the locations as they were near death hallucinations, things were very heavily misremembered (including major parts including the time of day and weather). So they cannot be relied on as the true version of events, in fact they can be debated heavily as being just the opposite.

In Silent Assassin he does do fairly well on his assassinations, with exception of Basement Killing where he technically kills the wrong target (although I’ll forgive this just like you, as its not even remotely his fault and both brothers become sanctioned targets anyhow); however he also still effectively falls into the trap in St. Petersburg, additionally the whole plot of Silent Assassin he completely fails to rescue Vittorio, it gets to a point where Zavorotko effectively has to REVEAL his involvement to 47 in order to wrap things up.

Then we get to contracts, where the literal entire plot of the events of Contracts is that he screwed up and got shot / almost killed by Albert Fournier after the events of Curtains Down. The implication in the beginning cutscene of Hunter Hunted is that he shoots his way out of the situation too, I understand that the ranking system encourages Silent Assassin for it, however the reality is far more complex than “47 is always perfect and nothing bad ever happens.”. Additionally in The Meat King’s Last Party, he leaves a Butcher that he interrogates as a witness at the beginning of the level and leaves his body in a freezer truck. Now maybe that butcher freezes to death in the back of the truck when we take his clothes and close it, but its still not very “perfect” of him.

Blood Money has Death of a Showman as it’s first level, and the way in which that mission was completed was an absolute shitshow. 47 kills so many nontargets (gangsters, a chemist, and even a completely innocent secretary), and not in clean accidents either. He also leaves 1-2 witnesses as well! Both the gate guard and potentially the woman in the last room with Scoop see his face, and he leaves them alive! We also know that the Bingham job (You Better Watch Out…) went poorly, as it is implied in general Canon, it being an assassination was relatively well known (with Rick Henderson pointing it out) and there were newspaper clippings in Absolution detailing it. 47 also kills several civilians with the glass hottub kill (again showing his methodology can be far from perfect sometimes).

Diana also gets the jump on him before Requiem (hell even Agent Smith surprises him at the end of a Dance with the Devil), showing he ISN’T an invincible god who can’t be touched in any way, he makes mistakes

I Don’t think I need to detail absolution either. 47 kills 4 guards with point shooting in a Personal Contract (as well as possibly one more guard at the beginning of the level). He gets caught TWICE throughout the plot of the game, both by Sanchez and by Sheriff Skurky, he also looses custody of Victoria by getting outsmarted by Lenny and gets caught in an ambush and almost blown up in Attack of the Saints. Absolution IS canon to some extent, and IS an extension of how IO interactive wrote the character to not be fully perfect, whether people like that or not is irrelevant!

47 fails to save Lucas Gray, that is a plot based character failure of 47, period. There’s no reframing it as him “completing his mission to kill the shadow client” that is foolish to say. 47 fails to do something and fails to accomplish his goal here on a fundamental level and it effects him deeply.

He is not perfect, I know a lot of people in the fandom don’t realize that because the mechanics and ranking system encourages stealth and perfection, but there are numerous times where 47 goes off script or things go wrong and 47 has to do something messy. Nontarget kills are ingratiated into several levels that are part of the identity of the series, 47 getting caught has been a plotpoint on numerous occasions and not once has he ever been doing it intentionally, 47 has failed objectives and goals before, he has flaws and IO has written about it and expressed it on numerous occasions (going all the way back to Silent Assassin and Contracts)

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Almost there…

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Is there some trick to getting more Mastery quickly? I’ve put a good 30-40 hours into Freelancer since launch and I’m nowhere near level 100.

A big part of it is completing optional objectives and completing ALL of them in a single mission, as each payout objective also gives you a healthy dose of XP, and completing them all gives you a “perfect run” bonus that’s about 2,500 XP. A big part of it is just grinding through it so just keep making progress towards challenges and try to complete bonus payouts and you should get there eventually.

Additionally, hardcore mode provides you with more XP than normal mode, and the challenges for it are about 12,000 XP alone (which is pretty notable), so if you haven’t played hardcore mode yet, you should at least complete it for those challenges.

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Been doing a lot of cheesing the Jason Portman surgery mission story during Freelancer missions in Hokkaido recently (for enforcer-free access to the hospital) and I automatically read that last sentence quoted above in the voice of the female doctor who I’ve heard say “If you haven’t tried the gym yet, you totally should check it out” about a million times when escorting me to the surgeon. :smile:

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A very important point here: Contracts (played as SA) and Silent Assassin contradict each other directly, so we have to ask ourselves: which version is legit? And it obviously must be H2SA because Contracts is a dream (that might not be a real recreation of events), while H2SA is a “real world cutscene”. So 47 dreams of living HPP style (who doesn’t! We love you!) but does actually not, at least not back then.

Here I am a bit unsure, what always bugged me was that in the next cutscene the newspaper says “Silent Assassin”. Which is, to my knowledge, impossible in the game (maybe except for glitches or tricks), so I’m irritated on that one. I always thought: It was SA, but for tutorial reasons the mission plays in an alternate gamey-way.

Same logic: Cutscenes are more-canon than gameplay

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I have never experienced this in the main mission. And I’ve played it a lot.

Edit: Also… LOL

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Blood Money has Death of a Showman as it’s first level, and the way in which that mission was completed was an absolute shitshow. 47 kills so many nontargets (gangsters, a chemist, and even a completely innocent secretary), and not in clean accidents either. He also leaves 1-2 witnesses as well!

Also, you don’t need to kill anyone besides your target in Death of a Showman. The game encourages you to do the mission in a certain because it’s a tutorial but nothing stops you from just knocking out most of the NPCs. Of course, that still means that there are plenty of witnesses left.

Don’t worry, you’ll come back stronger in your next run because it’s all a learning curve. I’ve failed a couple of Campaigns when I first started playing, but now I’m used to the mode I’m on a good run at the moment. I’ve just filled all the loot crates, now I’m collecting all weapons for the wall.

Just keep going and take your time! :+1:t2:

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Thanks. I’m actually pretty confident with Freelancer, which is why I was (and kinda still am) so mad. It was such a stupid and easily preventable mistake. But, lesson learned I suppose. I honestly thought my first fail would be blowing myself up with an explosive baseball (which I nearly did several times). I guess I was almost right.

Now that I’ve unintentionally opened the floodgates, I’m gonna grind out all the fail-related challenges when I play next. 47 has his low-swing, and then comes back stronger.

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