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less of a train wreck is still a train wreck though.

i don’t think the eu is some kind of benevolent or utopian organisation (far from it), but there was no rational or financial justification for us leaving it. i’m no nationalist or anything, but we were never going to be better off as a country.

It was never intended to work, it was just meant to be a theoretical scenario which “the libs” would never agree to because they didn’t agree with the ultra-conservative narrative: That everything good is due to the UK being a “strong” country and everything bad was due to that meddling EU stepping on British supremacy.

The best outcome for them was a close, but no cigar, vote - instead they got what they asked for and quickly realized it was completely unworkable because they were negotiating from a position of absolute weakness - and the people who thought they could negotiate anyway had no experience with real negotiations - only dictating terms to people negotiating from a position of weakness.

It was always going to be a disaster because not only way there never a plan, there was no scenario is which a viable plan could be made.

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I don’t know, I wonder how many Republicans have turned against Trump after the attack on Capitol Hill, but if it can’t be done without M. Mcconnel and M. Pence then it’s hopeless to think he will be impeached, the Republicans still have the majority of the senate as well? If that even matter when it comes to the 2nd impeachement? That’s not going to change before after the 20th January?

Hey at least you are not bound to a currency anymore which value is dependent on the economy of the other EU members.

Oh wait

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He could still be impeached after he leaves the office, the major issue being cited and bragged about by McConnel is that to do so would likely consume a lot of the early period of Biden’s presidency. Generally speaking the first 100 days are when a president sets the pace and expectations. Trump did nothing productive and mostly embarassed his nation in his first 100 days, for example.

Putting the burden of prosecuting Trump on Biden’s cabinet would be another classic Republican move where they sacrifice the good of the nation to sabotage the Democrats, then blame the Democrats for it later - unfortunately the US system currently has no mechanism to punish them for this.

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there’s the brexit paradox:

any government competent enough to enact brexit wouldn’t.

this. did anyone else see boris’ face when they won? that was all i had to see to know this was an internal tory power struggle gone horribly and disastrously ‘right’.

Yes, to prevent him from running for President in 2024, I wouldn’t be surprised if he did that, but he will face many lawsuits when leaving office and if he ends up in jail for something, then he can’t be President ever again? But impeachement after office will also block him from running for President forever, (forever? He is 74…)

So if I understand this correctly, it was just a political stunt? They didn’t really want it? And they didn’t think they got the votes to go through with it?

Okay, didn’t know he would loose all those perks (in lack of better words) as well.

Impeachment after office would also mean he could be denied his Presidential pension, his Secret Service protection detail for life, etc - essentially as well as saving the government a shitload of money it would prevent him abusing such things… as well as prevent him doing a 2024 campaign.

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Rude awakening:

But she didn’t mention the 4 others who died :thinking:.

Felons can run for office. The only requirements for the presidency are that you are 35 years of age and a natural born US citizen, who hasn’t already served two terms in office.

In 1920, for example, the socialist Eugene Debs ran for president while in jail for sedition and received nearly a million votes.

Impeaching and convicting Trump is the only way to prevent him from running again. (Though, theoretically, the Senate could convict him without disqualifying him from running again.)

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So felons can’t vote but they can become president?

Pretty much. (Felons not voting is, to the best of my knowledge, a state by state thing.)

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Oy, language…

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it’s complicated by a number of factions/factors at play, but in a nutshell? yeah.

prime minister at the time was cameron, who was pro-europe. to stay in power, he offered a national referendum. this was to placate the anti-europe faction within the tories, as well as stave off a growing populist party called ukip that were siphoning off their voters and who, up until then, had been considered a bit of a joke.

no one predicted it would fall the way it did.

unfortunately, those factions/factors i mentioned came into play (mercers, cambridge analytica, cummings, bannon, russian oligarchs, a bucket load of money, strong social media campaigns, outright lies, etc.) and boris got involved (primarily to scare and potentially oust cameron, with an eye on taking the throne)… and they ended up winning; a contingency they hadn’t seemed to actually plan for because everyone knew it was a ridiculous idea… including current pm, boris.

this was boris’ ‘victory’ speech. does he look happy to you?

(that’s a super stripped down summary btw)

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I think perhaps he was requesting that you not use casual ablelism - particularly given the word’s history of inhumane treatment to disabled people and the ongoing issue that the disabled would like not to be associated with the knowingly and willingly evil.

Is there some reason you can’t respect that?

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No, he dosen’t look that happy at all, looks like he was thinking: what the heck did just happen, what do we do now :joy:.

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There I edited it and retracted my above comment.

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i know right? he’s reading his carefully prepared speech, but you know his internal monologue is just:

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu—-

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Are we talking about Boris Johnson? Because I think he does that whenever he is asked a question.

Wife: So Boris what do you want for dinner?
Boris’ Inner Monologue: Fuuuuuuuuu–
Boris: I think will have a roast lamb, the whole blood thing. Right proper English roast lamb.

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ha! that man is pathologically incapable of making decisions.

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