Assuming the fight actually happens then the best we can hope for is Tom from MySpace shows up and beats the both of them to death.
If it happens, Zuckerberg might actually give Elon a traumatic brain injury. Elon is not in shape at all and Mark has medals in jiu-jitsu
Civil war is at Putin’s door.
Holy shit.
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/102519712
There’s footage of “alleged fighting” in Rostov circulating too.
They’re half way to Moscow
Edit: This video by Vox is also relevant and informative in case you want to know more about Wagner
This is gonna be bad for Putin, regardless of the outcome.
It’s also gonna be bad if the coup succeeds since Prigozhin seems like a more capable tactician than Putin’s generals so if he will want to continue the war, it’s gonna be bad for Ukraine.
Well, that’s assuming he’d want to continue the war. He’s a mercenary, and since he’s turned against the guy who told him to send his people to war in the first place, it might not be his priority anymore. Plus, the whole war was about Putin’s ego. If this guy is more together, the whole reason for the invasion is gone. Besides, if it succeeds, he’s probably gonna have more local issues to deal with. Guess we’re gonna see one way or another.
What he wants makes no sense. He wants to take over the military but staying loyal to Putin. That is a contradiction.
He wants to return to the Ukraine to fight after his dealings in Russia despite saying that war is a mistake.
They’re both negligent thugs, let’s not forget that.
well, he thinks Putin is “mistaken” with his morning speech. Not as loyal as last night…
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672536701997072384
Prigozhin audio message 10:19AM BST - “no one will surrender to the demands of the President”:
"Regarding the betrayal of the Motherland, the President is deeply mistaken. We’re patriots of our Motherland. We fought and we are fighting, all fighters of PMC Wagner. And no one is going to surrender to the demands of the President, FSB, or anyone else. Because we don’t want the country to live further in corruption lies, and bureaucracy.
When we fought in Africa, we were told that we needed Africa, and then they dumped it, because they stole all the money that was meant to come for help.
When we were told we are fighting with Ukraine, we went and fought. But it turned out that the ammo, weapons, all money put towards this were also being stolen, while officials are sitting and saving them for themselves for an incident that happened today, when someone is going towards Moscow."
Now they are not saving anything, they are striking us with planes and helicopters at the columns with civilians. And they hit civilians because they’re missing. And they hit anywhere they can.
Thus, we are the patriots, but those resisting us today are those who gathered around scumbags.
Wagner composed a very large portion of Russia’s invasion force, so it’s not as simple as just ‘continue the war’ after this ends somehow.
What’s the real reason the Chef is revolting against Putin? Sure, it sucks (for him) that his boys got taken down by friendly fire, but that isn’t really treason-provoking. Did Putin really harshly reject reparations for them and he’s going General Hummel over it?
I guess he either has political ambitions or he sees no perspective to win or at least to profit in/from the war.
We have the first claims/report of Wagner units in Moscow Oblast, other at 100k from the city. It’s not fully confirmed, but it’s clear that the claims are made by some of the Kremlin loyalist.
The next two days are going to be interesting.
He’s been in Soviet prison before, has had anti-government sentiments and has had issues with authority, and he has been upset at what he perceived as incompetent decisions made during the war by military command. So the guy has had some mental issues and anger bubbling beneath the surface for a while. The missile hit was just the last straw. He wasn’t even after Putin originally, he just wanted to overthrow the military command because he felt they were idiots causing more damage than making sound decisions, but once Putin labeled him a traitor for it, he put Putin on his list too and decided to go for broke.
I read also that he was upset at attempts to place Wagner under full military command.
Wagner agreed to stop the march and retreats to bases. No civil war. Seems like talks are about to happen. Wtf.
Putin negotiating after all this seems like it would just project weakness
If you ever wanted to hear a former President knowingly committing a crime, here’s your chance.
My god, the man’s an idiot.