I do comprehend that. That’s why I’m saying your logic is wrong. Because even with the phone, you can still be seen by her when she’s in there, or seen by someone else when you go in and drop the phone and leave it there to be found. You have to sneak or get a disguise to get there in the first place, and that’s where the game’s puzzle aspect is still in effect. It doesn’t matter if one more risk is removed in using the phone; every risk you take in the process of getting the phone to her in the first place is where the game still has its puzzle aspect, which is not robbed by using the phone. You may not have a challenge in killing her, but you don’t need to; everything else is the challenge.
And, again, the starting-as-a-waiter-with-poison example provided above is equally risk-removing. It’s a free kill because you are not spotted pouring poison in a waiter outfit, and according to you, starting in a disguise that puts you already in the target’s safe space counts. While it can’t be done on Margolis, you could do that in other maps, Mumbai for example. Start in a disguise that is allowed to be there, with poison already equipped, and not suspicious when using it, free kill.
Why would you go in the bathroom into trespassing area when you don’t need to? Hence start in auction and place the phone on the table where she drinks. But ya, put yourself in the danger zone when you don’t need to. lol
You’re STILL missing the point. The point is you can kill the target anywhere you want where it’s safe where it puts you at no risk of getting caught with the phone. No other item can do this.
I’ve covered this. You’re circling now. Post #201. Unless you’ve got something else, I’ve already answered each of these arguments you continue to make. It’s done now.
Yes and it’s irrelevant. I HAVE Covered that. With a waiter, not every target drinks. So it’s not 100% full proof and safe like the phone is.
Again there’s contracts mode and every npc can be a target. So poison drinks are not full proof Free kills. The phone is.
I’ve got a really simple solution to this controversy in a game I do not own and have never played. Let me poll you guys on it.
What if the devs just…left the items in? If you don’t like the item, don’t use it. If you’re a speedrunner and it is a useful exploit, use it. If you think it jives with the realism or the challenge of the game, don’t use it. You can exploit the living daylights out of just about every game in this series.
If the devs remove it because someone doesn’t like it, that ruins the experience of people who liked it. If the devs leave it in and those who don’t like it don’t use it, nobody’s experience is ruined.
I can empathize with the other side as well, to be fair. It used to bother me that using gunfire alerts to lure guards and the glide-running make some challenges easy as cake at the cost of a sense of realism. It used to bother me a whole lot. But I’m glad we didn’t have this culture of nitpicking games post-release back then, because I’m glad those exploits are still available (especially since I use gliding, now) for people to try out.
I’ve already given you that. You took the post as a joke. Your time for proving anything has come and gone.
Dude, you’re acting like I haven’t used the phone, like I don’t still have access to Hitman 2 where the phone still works and haven’t used it in literally every scenario I’ve described to you so far.
Let me make it clear and final: The only main target where you are not in a restricted zone AND far enough away from any NPCs that might pick up the phone first, is the one from your video. In every other case, you either have to drop the phone in an area where another NPC might see it, however remote, or you have to take steps to get yourself to the target’s secluded place that involves solving the puzzles of the game to do it. Right there, your two points, that the phone kill is free and that it takes away the puzzle aspect of the game, is done. You might be able to show me that you’ve succeeded at one, but not the other, and even if you prove née wrong somehow that there is a target other than Federov where you can do it while proving both points, you can’t do that with every target as you originally claimed. On most, you would have to solve the puzzle of getting to them through some means, and by merely doing so, you show that you are wrong. For those where you don’t have to do that, you still risk other NPCs getting involved, still wrong. You either have the puzzle, or you risk other interactions with the phone. And I know because I’ve done this. Contracts mode is one thing, any NPC can be targeted and players can go nuts with the rules and restrictions, but for the base game, you have nothing to show me that I don’t already know, and I’ve already given you the task to perform and show me that I’m wrong. You balked, because you know that you can’t.
So other players should have a feature removed from the game entirely because you can’t make the precise side-feature challenge hard enough for your liking?
You mentioned a lot of level starts already uniformed a few posts back. Maybe IO should cut that feature out of the game so you have to think more creatively. It’s a “free infiltration” when you get to start the level with a preferred disguise. Seems like you’re in favour of forcing challenge in one form of puzzle but I can’t imagine you would be so eager to be forced into a challenge in another form of puzzle.
You really are funny. You make my mind boggle how you still don’t get it. That’s not how to play hitman. You’re making up rules that are not in the game. lol
Exactly. So then why is it so hard for you to understand that it’s the worst item in the game with absolutely no challenge to kill a target with no risk using it at all? The point isn’t HOW to use the phone, the point is how easy it is to kill the target with no consequence. Walk up to any target in any disguise you choose and place the phone anywhere, in front of anyone, with anyone else around and get a free kill. No other item does that. You say poison drink/food, again not every npc eats/drinks. But every npc can pickup the phone.
I gave you the entire list of targets from hitman 1. Did you forget I can start in any disguise I want, just like Federov? Again missing the point of the video. Facepalm of the century.
I reiterate, did you forget I gave you the list of every target in hitman 1? Seriously asking now.
Because “the base game” has every target as Any/Any and so I can start at any location with the phone in my loadout.
What’s next? You going to say use the phone on Claus while disguised as the prisoner in the school to prove that the phone is a challenge? Yes. Getting to Claus with the prisoner is a challenge and a puzzle in itself, but the point is once you do reach him, how easy it is to kill him. It’s a free kill. Meaning he dies anywhere with anyone else around with no risk of losing SA when he dies.
But that’s Incorrect. With infiltration disguises as start points, only the phone kills the targets this easily. No other item does that. For example, I can’t start in the auction and fiber wire/inject poison/knife melee/pistol headshot Dalia in front of everyone and still get SA. lol
Alright, I give up. You refuse to listen and learn each time I repeat myself. I’ve already covered everything you just said, multiple times, and your best answer is “that’s not how Hitman works.” Dude, you can’t say in one post that Hitman is meant to be played however the player wants, and the use the that’s not how it works argument later. That’s not how debating works. If you refuse to listen, that’s your prerogative. I’m done with this now.
To be clear, though you’ve frustrated me with this argument that’s gone on ridiculously long, it’s nothing personal, and I won’t carry baggage from this to discussions we might have elsewhere in the forum. Let’s talk about something else out there. I’m done here.
I just read this and your talking out of your arsehole tbh… the electric phone allows the player an accident kill at any time, in any place, in front of any and all npcs, by remote. There is no other kill like this.. propane + micro taser is the next closest thing and that requires good timing to get the kill, with the phone you just detonate after its picked up (unless u do the new glitch heheh)
And its not hard to give the phone to any target. May i ask why you want the phone to electrocute (accident) as opposed to blow up the target?? I wonder if its related to how easy one is to get SA
Heres an no loadout example of the type of Ezra Berg Electrocution. Compare this to leaving the phone on the basement stairs and let me know which one is bad for the game…
At least I know what I’m talking about. You clearly haven’t paid attention to everything that was said here a whole-ass month ago.
The challenge in these games is not solely in the killing of the target; it is also in getting to the target and then getting away without being caught, neither of which is taken away from by using this phone. Also, as mentioned exhaustively prior to now, using the phone runs the risk of (uses megaphone so maybe this time the world will listen) BEING PICKED UP BY SOMEONE OTHER THAN THE TARGET IF NOT DONE CORRECTLY!
Because the very idea of such a phone is genius, something the ICA would totally create, and something 47 would totally use, and I play these games as 47 would act.
You let Berg see you in order to lure him over and had to shoot the power strip in order to activate it. Such requirements mean that method is not an option for me. It’s sloppy.
I just read this and your talking out of your arsehole tbh…
the issue in a nutshell… i wouldn’t know as i always used it well and it was too easy.
also scroll up to last year (h2) and you will see i was part of the duscussion even then… im also a big part of the reason fs7c banned it in competitive. Ive had many discussions on this topic and ultimately i wanted it patched to be a shock/ ko device that kills in water. We dont have to agree on this, but telling me that something isnt EASY because you struggle with it is YOUR opinion, yet you talk like its fact! Its removal wasnt the best solution for either of us, but i dont see why shock/ ko nerf wouldn’t be suitable for you?
Ps killing ezra with electric phone while he stood in fire barrel oil was my highlight of h2 tbh, such a cool kill as u get double animations lmao
Wtf does this even mean? Are you taking what I said to mean that I have difficulty placing the phone? Then you’re misunderstanding what I’m saying. I don’t have difficulties in using the phone; that’s not the issue. The fact that the potential for the placement of the phone to go wrong even exists negates the argument that it had no challenge. I don’t experience that difficulty, but there’s always the chance something might go wrong. The ease of use of the phone is not a pro or a con for me; it’s the concept that I love about it.
so it never goes wrong for you, or for me, but it COULD? so thats why its balanced?
anyway i just wanna share this as it sprung to mind, i used a phone a few weeks back to lure Zoe Washington in a spot I didnt expect to work, just using advanced knowledge of how the game audio works. I think it serves as a great example as to why its not believable that a decent player could struggle to simply get a target to pick up a phone.
