Unpopular Opinions

[Heisenberg]

A hotdog is not a sandwich.

(flicks the safety to off position on the pistol)

Fight me on it.

[Tetrafish_21]

Maybe not a true sandwich per’se, but a type of sandwich styled food item given the description of a sandwich. A meat or processed meat item “sandwiched” or contained by baked bread items or “buns”. Edit: Okay. Not just “meat” since you can have peanut butter or whatever. I guess the emphasis is on the bread encasement.

Heck. So, would you consider an opened faced “sandwich” of whatever to still be a sandwich? Because it still gets the moniker. It’s not “sandwiched” but at least resting upon a bread item.

[Accidental_Kills98]

Finally wants to actively pick a fight in Unpopular Opinion only to accidentally post a sane and rational opinion for once.

[Heisenberg]

Ok, good catch there that having meat on a sandwich is irrelevant as a rule, thanks to peanut butter and jelly and whatnot.

But, firstly, a hotdog is not a sandwich because, right off the bat, it’s called a hotdog, not a sandwich. If it were a sandwich, it would be called such. Think about it; every sandwich that is a sandwich is called that: peanut butter and jelly sandwich, tuna sandwich, club sandwich, subway sandwich, it doesn’t matter. Every sandwich that is a sandwich is always called such, without exception or fail. Now, some assholes try to be clever and say the Ruben or the Hoagie are just called that and you don’t put the word sandwich after them, but then, how do you know what they are? I say fuck you, it’s a Ruben sandwich and a hoagie sandwich. And be clear: this is the same reason why a hamburger is also not a sandwich.

Secondly, a sandwich must have its contents held between two pieces of bread. More pieces can be added in, but at least two must be present. A hotdog is a piece of “meat” held in place by a single piece of neatly folded bread. And to be clear, it must be between two intentional pieces; the hotdog bun splitting at the seam and thereby putting the “meat” between what is now accidentally two pieces of bread does not now accidentally make a sandwich. And no, deliberately splitting the bun before placing the “meat” does not make it a sandwich either; the bread itself must be intentionally meant, by design, to be two separate pieces. To make a hotdog a sandwich, you’d have to put a whole other intact bun on top of the one currently holding the “meat” in place in order for it to meet the criteria.

@Accidental_Kills98

Finally wants to actively pick a fight in Unpopular Opinion only to accidentally post a sane and rational opinion

Accidentally? This was strategically and intentionally done so, just like every other opinion I’ve ever posted.

@Accidental_Kills98

for once.

Again, what the heck are you talking about? I do it every time.

[Tetrafish_21]

I think it’d be like Sandwich is a species, where hotdog, hamburger, Ruben, etc. are subspecies under the larger sandwich umbrella definition.

Not that I care either way. I think I’ll be splitting an uncooked hotdog to make an opened faced chilidog sandwich.

100% All Beef, Open Face Grilled Footlong Chili Dogs for Dinner

[Heisenberg]

Close, but not quite. Sandwiches, hamburgers, hotdogs, wraps, tacos, and quesadillas can all be considered under one bread-covered food category, but sandwiches are their own entry within that category.

[Screaming_Meat]

@Heisenberg

Lao Tzu, like every other philosopher I’ve ever come across, is completely full of shit, and doesn’t have any more idea of what we’re supposed to do with our time stuck in this misbegotten universe than any other average Joe.

sounds less like you’re looking for ‘answers’ and more like you’re looking for a charismatic cult leader.

stick with nihilism. it’s easy mode.

edit: 20 days ago?! whups. i miss all the good stuff.

[Tetrafish_21]

Don’t you want to join his church of the HPP? It does have a strict dress code of gloves only. The after service festivities include liquid refreshments served with various sandwich like items such as hotdogs.

j/k

[Accidental_Kills98]

@Tetrafish_21

HPP

Does that stand for Highly Protracted Pontificator?

[MrOchoa]

@Heisenberg

A hotdog is not a sandwich.

Facts are unpopular opinions now?

[empressofpersia]

You’re absolutely right. It’s a taco.

[Screaming_Meat]

A hotdog is a glorious, sawdust-filled meat torpedo aimed at the tastebuds.

I found this great quote:

When debating the culinary taxonomy of the hot dog, the first important question one should ask themselves is “Do I have anything better to do?”

If the answer is “no”, you have bigger problems, buddy.

— Lao Tzu, Star Wars: Return of the Jedi

@MrOchoa

Facts are unpopular opinions now?

Have you ever been on the internet?

[Heisenberg]

@Screaming_Meat

sounds less like you’re looking for ‘answers’ and more like you’re looking for a charismatic cult leader.

I’m looking for somebody who has some answers that you can’t make them take back in seconds with a single response.

Take this classic that seems to be the flavor of the day lately: It’s your life, do what you want to do, don’t let anyone tell you that you can’t. But tell them: Ok, I want to kill that annoying guy next door, and suddenly it’s all, no, don’t do that, but you just said, that’s not what I meant though, oh, so you don’t actually mean what you said, you still believe in societally imposed and enforced boundaries, ok, I gotcha.

I’m really sick of that whole ideal that basically boils down to you-do-you, except when we don’t like it. A lot of philosophies use bigger, deeper words, long arguments, and anecdotes as examples, but ultimately, most of them just sort of boil down to that same view, when all is said and done.

[Screaming_Meat]

@Heisenberg

I’m looking for somebody who has some answers

not to cherry-pick/misquote you but i’d humbly suggest that bit right there is the problem. if someone claims they have the answers about this sort of thing, they’re either mad, selling you something or both.

@Heisenberg

Take this classic that seems to be the flavor of the day lately: It’s your life, do what you want to do, don’t let anyone tell you that you can’t. But tell them: Ok, I want to kill that annoying guy next door, and suddenly it’s all, no, don’t do that, but you just said, that’s not what I meant though, oh, so you don’t actually mean what you said, you still believe in societally imposed and enforced boundaries, ok, I gotcha.

attacking an aphorism for not being a complete philosophical treatise is a bit daft.

@Heisenberg

I’m really sick of that whole ideal that basically boils down to you-do-you, except when we don’t like it. A lot of philosophies use bigger, deeper words, long arguments, and anecdotes as examples, but ultimately, most of them just sort of boil down to that same view, when all is said and done.

eh, not really? there’s a whole smorgasbord of radically different kinds of philosophies from all across the globe and human history. that kind of sweeping generalisation gives the impression that you’re talking very authoritatively about something you don’t really know much about.

[Heisenberg]

Well, ok, I’m not necessarily looking for answers, I know there aren’t any; I’m more hoping that if someone has something to say about life, it’s not the same, tired, instantly disprovable thing.

And no, not really. I have heard, looked at, and been forced to endure countless philosophies since my 8th grade year when I became fascinated with the subject, and like I said, when you chew it all down to the bone, it’s all pretty much everyone giving a big shrug and saying to break the chains but also be good, because they don’t have any more idea about any of this than anyone else.

Anyway, I don’t want to rehash all of that again. Back on the more important issue of the non-sandwich hotdogs.

[schatenjager]

@Heisenberg

But, firstly, a hotdog is not a sandwich because, right off the bat, it’s called a hotdog, not a sandwich. If it were a sandwich, it would be called such. Think about it; every sandwich that is a sandwich is called that: peanut butter and jelly sandwich, tuna sandwich, club sandwich, subway sandwich, it doesn’t matter. Every sandwich that is a sandwich is always called such, without exception or fail. Now, some assholes try to be clever and say the Ruben or the Hoagie are just called that and you don’t put the word sandwich after them, but then, how do you know what they are? I say fuck you, it’s a Ruben sandwich and a hoagie sandwich. And be clear: this is the same reason why a hamburger is also not a sandwich.

Secondly, a sandwich must have its contents held between two pieces of bread. More pieces can be added in, but at least two must be present. A hotdog is a piece of “meat” held in place by a single piece of neatly folded bread. And to be clear, it must be between two intentional pieces; the hotdog bun splitting at the seam and thereby putting the “meat” between what is now accidentally two pieces of bread does not now accidentally make a sandwich. And no, deliberately splitting the bun before placing the “meat” does not make it a sandwich either; the bread itself must be intentionally meant, by design, to be two separate pieces. To make a hotdog a sandwich, you’d have to put a whole other intact bun on top of the one currently holding the “meat” in place in order for it to meet the criteria.

I disagree with both premises. If you take the meat out of the bun, it’s still a hotdog. It was a hotdog before the bun ever got involved. If you put hotdogs in your macaroni and cheese, you aren’t putting bits of bun in there. The thing described as a hotdog is clearly the meat portion and not the bun. A hamburger is absolutely a sandwich even if it isn’t traditionally called that.

On your second premise, that a sandwich requires two pieces of bread, I have, and you must have, had a half sandwich where a single piece of bread is simply folded in half around your peanut butter and jelly or bologna or whatever. That’s still a sandwich.

To be clear, I agree with your final conclusion - i.e., that a hotdog isn’t a sandwich - but your premises are wrong.

[Tetrafish_21]

So how would one make a hotdog sandwich?

Hot Dog Sandwich

Or just using the (hopefully cooked) meat between 1 or 2 slices of bread. Then put whatever else you want on it. Is there a fine line between using a single-sliced bun and slices sourced from a loaf?

Must the weiner be intact? Or can it be cut in half? Or perhaps into smaller slices? Where do we draw the line?

[Rimland]

Me reading this debate, coming from a country where we just drill a hole into the bun and stick the sausage in:

[schatenjager]

@Rimland

drill a hole into the bun and stick the sausage in

What? You don’t have sliced buns?

[Heisenberg]

@schatenjager

I disagree with both premises. If you take the meat out of the bun, it’s still a hotdog. It was a hotdog before the bun ever got involved. If you put hotdogs in your macaroni and cheese, you aren’t putting bits of bun in there. The thing described as a hotdog is clearly the meat portion and not the bun.

Incorrect. The part you are referring to is the link, wiener, or frank. The hotdog name refers to the entire ensemble that includes the meat and bun. People do often refer to the link/wiener/frank itself as the hotdog. That’s wrong.

@schatenjager

A hamburger is absolutely a sandwich even if it isn’t traditionally called that.

Nope. See the “called a sandwich” paragraph from the post above.

@schatenjager

On your second premise, that a sandwich requires two pieces of bread, I have, and you must have, had a half sandwich where a single piece of bread is simply folded in half around your peanut butter and jelly or bologna or whatever. That’s still a sandwich.

Incorrect. That is a half-a-sandwich, a very specific and important distinction. Like calling a hotdog a sandwich simply because it’s meat on bread, taking a single piece of bread and folding it over on the contents does not a sandwich make, but it does make for lazy naming and lazy food preparation.

@schatenjager

To be clear, I agree with your final conclusion - i.e., that a hotdog isn’t a sandwich - but your premises are wrong.

Of course you do, any rational, reasonable person would.