That tells me 2 things: 1) The availability of free time among the working class in this country as opposed to other developed countries is staggeringly inadequate; and 2) Family members are already not close enough with each other to make it work, or make it worth making it work, under those conditions to begin with.
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i donât think itâs that deep, i just think itâs nice to have time where you know everyone will be free to spend time together
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Sociologically speaking @Heisenberg does have a point, the way we live and the way we have let enterprises structure the time we spend at work and at play leaves working class people with far less free time than is healthy.
It is very tragic, we could be working less for greater benefit to us as people but since it makes the 15cm line go down five millimeters then the powers that be rarely allow it.
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All that is true, but what does it have to do with common holidays being convenient times to see loved ones?
We went from heisenberg feeling guilt tripped into participating, to spods saying those events are helpful, to heisenberg complaining about workersâ rights.
There are different times for a family to gather. Better a holiday than a funeral.
It is sad that the only days most people can really be with their families are designated holidays. and it still goes back to Heisenberg because those holidays are given out on the schedule that banks used to use to portion time-off for their workers.
The convenience is an illusion you see, we think that because we have these holiday periods that means we shouldnât have more or work for less in a week overall. Holidays are a compromise between our business class overlords and the rest of us, we said we wanted holidays but they got the upper hand and orientated our holidays around banking calendars.
We should be grateful we have holidays but it should never stop us from realising that we can also have it better than we do right now and that we can make them play ever more by our own rules.
My unpopular opinion is that I really hate Gambit from the X-Men. Donât even ask me why because I donât even know myself. I just have a visceral reaction to seeing him, like a primal impulse in my brain triggers.
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Again, Iâm not saying Heisenberg is wrong, but that it has nothing to do with what spods said. What are you arguing when we all agree on it? Itâs like saying water is wet.
I mean what spods said is self-evident honestly, holidays are an objective good time to structure gatherings but I guess I just feel we should have more time off.
I have a feeling @Heisenberg would debate you on that. Mostly because water being wet isnât technically agreed upon.
Are you American? Thought you were Australian
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My greater point is: do we even want to see each other on holidays? Holidays all seem to be about anxiety from being around each other and being able to afford food and gifts and trips, all to spend time with people we donât really like, sometimes outright despise, all because of the expectation that we are supposed to spend time with them due to them simply being our blood families. Social media has become more and more filled with people seeming to share in that view point as more years pass. It seems to me our society would be a lot healthier if we could just admit that we donât really like these holidays anymore, mainly because of the expectation weâve put in place that we have to be around these people.
True. Water technically isnât wet; it makes things wet.
Good, weâre back to your opinion based on your own family/SoMe observations. It may surprise you, but many, many, many people really like holidays.
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It may surprise you that many, many, many more people donât like them. I think you missed that part in the middle of my paragraph. This is not solely based on my opinion; I just happen to agree whole-heartedly with the sentiment.
I am Australian. We have more days we can schedule as holidays off from work (I remember an American co-worker told me how much you can take off and I remember it being shockers) but we lack a Thanksgiving (some families will see each other on Easter and then never again until Christmas) and we donât have a federal labour day (which means most states differ on when we do celebrate it ad none of us use the American date)
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You sound like you have some official statistics about who likes and dislikes Christmas.
Iâm not the one making this statement:
In any event, liking the holidays, and liking spending time with family during those holidays are not the same thing.
Im not stating as fact where the majority lies. You are.
Odd thing to say. Theyâre not mutually exclusive.
Yes, you are. You are literally making the same argument I am from the other direction, so if youâre going to accuse me of stating as fact where the majority lies, then so are you. Only one of our positions can be the majority, and if youâre going to refute mine, that means that youâre claiming yours is.
And yes, theyâre not mutually exclusive, thatâs what I said, so whereâs the confusion?
Nah bro its a bit different. I said many people like something. You then reply that more people actually dislike it. That makes it sound like youâre looking at a statistic.
I didnât not say âmoreâ in the sense of greater numbers. It was âmoreâ in the sense of there being many, many more people to consider in the equation and they are of the opposite position. It was not a claim of my position being greater in number. Consider the context.
Alright, it just sounded like you meant more people when you said more people. No worries.
Also when you say two things are not the same thing it sounds like youre saying theyâre mutually exclusive. Just a heads up.
And I think it sounds pretty unhealthy to be in a dynamic where you feel forced to be together with people you outright despise. Sounds quite sad tbh. Canât you host your own get together with friends and family members you like? Maybe you wouldnât hate it so much then.