What’s one of the most chronically online takes you’ve seen?

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I was referring to the one mentioned in the thread. I thought they were comparing a supposed sketchy past to Nazism.

I can’t mention examples, but historically this has happened to be used as a pejorative rather than to those who legitimately align to fascist ideologies. It is akin to playing the Nazi card; Hitler practised a vegan diet, therefore veganism = Nazi. But this isn’t a fair comparison because it undermines such arguments that could be refuted into something that’s already resented. You should be able to construct what you want to say without demeaning it down to calling someone a Nazi.

Fascism is an extremely documented history background that every kid learns in school. My point being is that it is irrelevant to say “this guy hates Nazism” while in the same breath say “I don’t like what this guy said”.

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i don’t think reductio ad hit-whatever is quite the same as calling out someone with (perhaps ignorant) rhetoric that aligns with fascistic ideology.

now, i agree that folk do erroneously use the term ‘nazi’, which is a specific kind of fascism. that’s the point when most others chuck in their “ahhh but”. however, i think it’s generally accepted that ‘nazi’ at this point is shorthand for fascism, which comes in many various and wonderfully vile forms that don’t necessarily fit with the third reich playbook. forgive the double negative but that something doesn’t 1:1 match nazi germany does not mean something isn’t fascistic. plus, not all such comparisons are invalid.

on a side note, i take umbrage with that wiki article.

the trump section, for instance, references legitimate sources calling him out as fascist. it then gives counter examples as de facto refutations when none of them stand the slightest scrutiny: “lacking a coherent ideology” , when fascism is deliberately incoherent; “not supporting a dictatorship or political violence”, when january 6th happened; “and his rejection of interventionist foreign policy”, which simply isn’t true. i’m not going to go too deep on this, but at the very least he increased drone strikes in somalia, and bolstered us presence in saudi arabia and the persian gulf. plus, military force isn’t the only way to intervene in other country’s affairs.

it makes me question the framing of the rest of the sections.

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tends to be a chronically online thing nowadays. such as the idea “math is racist”. also i really fucked this topic up by opening a can of worms.

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exactly. what makes it an issue is it pretty much dulls its meaning to the point we don’t even know what it means anymore. i hate when any party jumps to it cause it throws away so many issues we can actually talk about but it all gets treated as “Communist” or “Fascist”. yes these kinds of people exist to this day. but the word at this point has become nothing but a sensationalist ad hominem buzz word. and when such a thing is said there is no reason given proving the claim to have no weight. simply cause someone is a weirdo who puts roses on a pack of meat doesn’t mean they’re the second coming of Hitler. they’re just a trend chaser. which is what most politics have become nowadays. constantly dying fads to distract us from actual real problems while more dangerous figureheads screw the common man over. like for example what the Dutch government is doing to farmers. that is the biggest example of tyranny that’s being swept under the rug.

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let’s say person a accused person b of being a fascist or a nazi but then explained why they made the accusation, perhaps in a coherent and sensible way. am i then right in thinking you wouldn’t have an issue?

if that’s the case (and i appreciate i may have got it completely wrong), then it seems like you have more of a problem with people not backing up their claims than the claim itself.

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exactly. the issues i have more has to do with hearsay than actual claims. including within a political climate nowadays people have ways of making up rumors or dismantling arguments for personal reasons that have nothing to do with being against fascism but everything to do with people not liking someone’s position or opinion. it has been the concern everyone has had for a long time that any side trying to silence speech through means of lies or painting the person as a grand evil with no backing reason does not have the best intentions. it’s why people give Twitter and Facebook much shit cause a lot of what they do to some peoples accounts are vague, invasive, or sometimes is just a concern people have. and with the fact they work in tandem with politicians with strongly questionable motives should worry people. no party or side is exempt from criticism in my opinion.

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personally with what smoking companies get away with so much horrible shit. they shouldn’t be a protected industry. it ain’t a Nazi thing to want to ban smoking companies cause they take advantage of people at their worst moments like they did my dad. (thank god he stopped smoking when i was a small tike. it gave him a reason to quit).

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so in theory it should be relatively easy to parse between nazi being used as an empty pejorative and those that are genuine calls. like with anything, you listen to the reasons for the claim rather than the claim itself, if that makes sense?

have you got any specific examples we can look at?

sure, social media is an insane fuck-pit, that’s nothing new. again, i could be completely wrong about this, but have their been a glut of cases where someone was spuriously called a nazi and it has affected their lives in a significant and negative way?

what are you referring to specifically?

i agree. i think anyone worth listening to would too.

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rough one to say but since Nazism is equated to racism have you heard the claim of “math is racist”?

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absolutely. it is obvious for example Varg had Nazi leanings. what matters in my opinion is the evidence and the things like the person’s ideals that would give me reason if they were a Nazi. overall i mention this cause i feel at times the word Nazi is used dangerously in a pejorative way. and with growing political tensions and how people are easy to turn violent nowadays it becomes a poking of the bear that leaves a lot of shit destroyed or worse.

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yeah. if i remember there was a meme in the funny pictures thread that pretty much said exactly my thoughts of the establishment politicians with some on the right not seeking to see other possibilities and a democratic party that hides its uncaring nature under hashtags and fake niceness and hit all the check boxes of diversity just so they can’t keep fooling voters over and over again for that fake kind of plastic and shallow freedom. it was @unfunnyguy who posted and i cannot say enough how accurate it really is.
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What would be more accurate:

Working class: help us

Dems: Ok

Republicans: No, let’s ban gay marriage, abortion, kill social security and generally make everyone’s lives worse. But we’ll balance the budget!

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I mean the alternative is a party that’s basically been taken over by neofascist Christian nationalists

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nope, im old, but let’s remain focused specifically on nazism (all nazis are racist, but not all racists are nazis). any examples of that?

“leanings”? he literally identified himself as a nazi in the 90s, didn’t he?

sorry to ask again, but have you got any concrete examples of what you’re talking about here? it’s all a bit strawman at the moment and difficult to engage with meaningfully.

the way you’re framing the division between the two parties here is worth a look.

i don’t know you from adam, but i would assume from this that you have much less of a problem with the republicans than the democrats (which you’re entitled to; none of my beeswax).

for example: “not seeking to see other possibilities” is a pretty innocuous criticism and i would say dramatically downplays their recent activities. i’m not saying you’re doing this, but this a typical rhetorical device used when someone wants to appear balanced.

compare it to how you describe the democrats as “[hiding] its uncaring nature under hashtags and fake niceness […] for that fake plastic and shallow freedom”

just going by that, you seem to be implying that the gop are just kind of misguided while the democrats are actively malicious. i’d say the republicans are notoriously malicious (and i’d be happy to provide examples). while i don’t have much good to say about the democrats either, i’m not sure i’d let the gop off nearly that lightly there.

also, just want to point out - sans democrats - that “diversity checkbox” descriptor is a pretty cliched right-wing, fox-style talking point.

im not going to get into that here (and again, it’s none of my business what you believe), but maybe have a think about where the supposed anxiety that fuels things like “diversity checkboxes” comes from, because it has pretty shitty origins.

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i don’t follow us politics as closely as i should. watch a bit of john oliver and some more news on occasion.

also? go to bed, you nut!

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i won’t deny i’m to the right aisle and yeah i probably am not mentioning much on the republican thing. tbh i didn’t think this topic would turn to this direction so quick so i didn’t expect to really get into these debates. was trying to keep it apolitical. but i kind of let my position slip a bit.

yer probably gonna hate where i got it from.

pass all our political opinions i do find this to be a wild claim about math. i can see for the transgender thing why but there is a lot of issue with the claim of “math is racist”.

yeah a pretty poor choice of words on my part but yeah. even a photo with him next to an SS helm if i’m not mistaken. thinking about reminds me how the book lords of chaos from what i hear is horrible.

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to add companies try a lot on trying to hop on the bandwagon of politics with people with left wing thoughts such as by what we see with Disney, the way companies deal with pride month, and mostly trying to get everyone’s money for their own gain and not really for the sake of movements. so when i say the whole checkmark thing that is what comes to mind. companies trying to make a quick buck. not to mention a lot of it being done through a capitalist market the market that is claimed by many trying to be stopped yet people keep following them defeating the purpose of some communist individuals yearning to abolish capitalism. not to mention eating the rich popsicles that have faces of famous rich people that cost 10 bucks. can’t stop a system if yer distracted with vain things getting in the way and being immobilized to a consumerist who waits for the next thing to be angry about and do nothing about the thing that angers you.

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@Screaming_Meat wait i remember now my case on the pejorative issue.

why the fuck it take me that long to remember? also these two vids help disprove this girls claims. also Kirk is Filipino and the Trujillo is a Mexican Native American mix so why would they let them in?

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the amount of times i’ve been called a homophobe by straight men because i’m not transphobic… bring shame back in 2023

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