i’ve gone off star wars over the years, but i can’t say i agree. at the very least, the last 40 or so minutes of jedi is genuinely incredible popcorn cinema: the way it tracks all three narrative threads, how each one’s highs and lows intertwine and contrast with the others, the music, the sense of scale - it’s heady stuff, even today.
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Ok, I suppose I should clarify here; I was referring to the overall trilogy, between all three films. Individual moments between the individual films are still ok here and there, but between all of them, DV is the only standout that still has staying power.
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Man, I hope everything goes well. Support to you and your family, @Hichkas.
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sorry, do you mean vader is the only element that appears in all three films that has any lasting relevance or am i misunderstanding ‘staying power’?
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Yeah, that’s the one.
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i dunno, man, that seems like a pretty hard case to argue to me, especially when the franchise is still raking in the big cash money wad sans vader.
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Yes, but people tend to look back on the original series with nostalgia glasses, when it really wasn’t as good as people like to claim. For the time, yes, but looking back from where we’ve arrived in modern cinema, there’s so much room for improvement, I sometimes wonder if everything just really sucked at the time.
Dude Peter Cushing as Tarkin gets better with time too. Bringing him back from the dead in Rogue One really helps solidify his character too. Had that movie been made without a Tarkin it just wouldn’t have made much sense. They were really swinging for the fences using him in that many scenes but I think it made the story a lot better seeing the empires internal competition between branches or divisions or whatever.
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personally, i try to avoid presuming to tell people why they think something is good, it being subjective and all.
i’m not sure stripping something of its historical context is a particularly useful way to analyse or criticise movies/books/art or whatever. we have different sensibilities, technology, cinematic language, audience expectations, etc. that seems a little like complaining about the production on a robert johnson record not being high quality enough, or claiming cave paintings are a bit “basic”, if you get me?
modern blockbusters wouldn’t be where they are without og star wars and its ilk, for good or ill. given how hugely influential these films were, it is all a bit ‘seinfeld is unfunny’ to me.
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Nah, The Terminator is still good because the story is still engaging, the characters are all likable, most of the dialogue seems natural and is believable, and if anything, the stop motion made it look better than subsequent CGI effects, because a mechanical structured character moving with the jerky-twitchy moves of stop motion is more believable for a machine than moving with the CGI fluidity of an octopus… or so I thought until I saw this:
The same cannot be said about all aspects of the original Star Wars trilogy.
Likewise. My criticism toward the original trilogy primarily stems from comparisons to the two other trilogies. For example, many people complain about the prequel trilogy’s bad acting, to which I say: have you seen the originals?
All true, but I’m focused mainly on the story and acting, not so much the rest, and again, it’s primarily in response to the criticisms leveled at the newer films. I’m not even saying they’re bad movies, just that they are overrated. Perhaps overrated isn’t even the correct term, but I’m not sure how to define it better at the moment. People compare the original trilogy to all the modern films in the 2000s era onward as if the flaws of the originals never existed and didn’t carry over. I’ve never been a humongous fan of Star Wars, but enough of one to have been both a critic and defender of the franchise as a whole, and as someone who was never in love with the original trilogy on the level of many in the fan base, I can say that as movies, they’re just as cringeworthy as the newer ones, if for different reasons.
I really hope you guys are talking about the Despecialized Version of Star Wars. It’s far superior to the new version. (and maybe we should continue this discussion over here…)
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A movie from 1985 uses old cinema techniques like stop motion
deemed bad and outdated by people in 2021.
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I actually don’t mind the differences from the SE that much, most of them are really good additions to the original, especially when you compare original Bespin with the SE.
The only thing i really dislike is that awful musical number in Jabbas Palace in the SE, the original Song is way better.
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so your issue with the og trilogy is that other people hold it up as an infallible sacred cow compared to the modern films - is that right…? if so, that’s less a critique of the original films, but rather a critique of a critique of the modern films. like a meta-critique!
also: i think the prequels are absolute fucking drek and the acting is appalling even by the low bar of the original trilogy 
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overrated is shorthand for “lots of people like a thing i don’t like” though. if we’re not presuming why people think some films are good (and unintentionally placing our opinion of art over others), we definitely want to avoid that turn of phrase.
dear god, i hate ‘overrated’ so damn much. sorry, completely irrational pet peeve 
we’ve been talking about ‘people’ but i don’t know who specifically says all this. it’s a little strawmanny. i’m sure the sw fandom have a wealth of opinions, as evidenced by our own positions.
yeah, and you have every right to think and say that, man. you ain’t wrong in any real sense, and neither is anyone who disagrees.
fair point. 
could you order 66 this part of the thread, mods…?
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So for the second year running it’s cheaper for my wife and I to have the same insurance but separately instead of together.
We both work for the same company and we use a traditional HMO. Thankfully we love our network and our doctors, this saves us a lot bc we don’t need the PPO.
Our share of the monthly premium is $202 each if we go separate, but $442 if one of us insures the other. I can’t exactly figure out why. It used to be (for like the last 4 decades) the other way around with a slight savings if one of us carried the other. It’s still a good deal but it’s frustrating bc it’s double the amount of cards and paperwork etc. Vision and dental is still the way it’s always been where it’s cheaper for one of us to carry the other.
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I’ve finally made a new animation after what seems like months since I’ve done a proper drawings/art project, after my law exams. I didn’t wanna make anything and didn’t feel any energy to do anything actually but here you go! I’m very proud of it, it’s my first animation of more than 30 seconds 
And talking about my law exams, it seems like I ended up and stayed in the waiting list of the last college option and I’ll have to give the exam one more and for the last time next year as well. Quite bummed but I’ve started up preparing for some time already and I’m pretty confident for it
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been extremely busy with coursework and dealing with faculty who don’t do enough for students. in all, there’s barely been time to ‘pause’ and visit HMF until today. x_x the thing that’s forced me to pause though, is illness.
pretty sure my roommate lied about testing negative after leaving a party, because i have some sort of cold/fever thing now. so…gotta add getting tested now to the to-do list. honestly, i would get tested today but when i stand too long it’s like someone’s chucked an emetic grenade at me lol. i at least wish everyone here has been well and enjoying the season of wrath 
that new escalation is really hard.
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oof that sucks, i hope you get well soon
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thanks khaki. 
im just grateful to be vaccinated because if this is actually covid, it could be much worse. bless 5G
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