More like comparing a Volkswagen Beetle to an Oldsmobile Delta 88.
The cool S has been drawn since ancient times, it has been found at several European archaeological sites.
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…wow! I had no idea.
I owned both of those… that is a Tough choice!
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Hey now that is unfair to the Type 1, the Type 1 is a versatile machine with the sort of fun design and compact size you don’t see anymore.
There is a good reason I didn’t use cars to make the analogy. You can make any car look, perform and sound good if you put in the effort and know-how. It would be more effort and know-how that went into Absolution.
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You must not have paid attention to Absolution once you saw one or two things you didn’t like. But, I realized that long ago. Sadly, it was a common occurance. 
I finished it twice and even revisited it a year ago when I rediscovered the game in my collection of stuff I dumped because I stopped using it. I traded it in so I could use the money to HITMAN III and thus the most use I got out of Absolution. Using it to buy a much better game instead.
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Alright, I’ll give you that; H3 is definitely superior. Not saying as much as most people would think, but accurate, all the same.
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Ok so seriously what should I call it
- Happy Birthday
- Happy Birdday
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It is clear those of you who don’t vote the obvious are merely scared of my glorious puns, and for that, I harbor nothing but pity.
Thankfully this poll is anonymous…
(I’m only joking! 
I still respect you whichever choice you pick! I just felt a strong need to redraw that meme in the heat of the moment, logging back on here.)
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Which organization do you think had the widest reach and ability to know anything about anyone?
- Providence
- ICA
- They are roughly equal, depending on what you are looking for
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IAGO should be included too since they had lots of things aswell. They sold to Providence AFAWK and any other highest bider.
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But gaining information is all they did, as far as we know. ICA and Providence not only gain knowledge on people and places, but were able to do things to affect the world with that knowledge. IAGO just sold their stuff, and if it came down to a contest of power, I don’t think there’s any question that both organizations could stomp IAGO out of existence easily. In fact, ICA did just that with 47 killing Margolis and Novikov, and literally no other action.
Providence and ICA, on the other hand, broker information and, in the case of Providence, use financial and political tactics to act on that info, and in the case of ICA, use assassination to do the same. Providence is more monetarily powerful and better at secrecy, but ICA is more dangerous and better at infiltration to where they don’t belong, so it’s hard to tell who would win if they had gone to war with each other, as they both operate on a global scale. My guess is that ICA would have fallen first, but would have done so much damage to Providence on the way down that the organization would have to disband for its individual subsidies and affiliates to survive, essentially wiping it out. They’d destroy each other, and so I think they’re about equal.
The one plot point where Edwards knew more about 47’s lineage than Diana did makes me believe Providence may have won out on that front.
It might be roughly equal, but Providence is the secret cabal of the “top 1% of the top 1%” so to speak. The people with the most money in the highest echelons of power. I’d say that’s something that can be used to cover-up or dig-up info on anything.
Money talks, and all that. Or silences, depending on who you’re asking.
Given the huge party at Mendoza featured plenty of Providence operatives from around the globe, I also wouldn’t count out the possibility of making a “Six Degrees of Providence” game. There’s surely overlap and significant reach in many fields of work if Providence has so much power at their fingertips.
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All true, but Providence’s primary MO is manipulation, and at first they didn’t even know ICA was involved in the deaths of their operatives, so even they aren’t aware of everything. ICA is able to find out what they need without needing the connections Providence has - they tend to bribe or brute force their way into getting the info they need - and eliminate their problems completely rather than use manipulation, so their solutions are more definitive and less likely to backfire on them. Taking that into account, Providence’s money and political pull can only do so much against ICA’s weapons, investigative prowess, and remorseless killers.
While I think ICA would definitely win a straight shoot ‘em up fight, and Providence would win a war of attrition based on who had the most money and reach, if both approaches are happening, the two organizations destroy each other. Although, as I said before, I do think ICA, after mortally wounding Providence, would fold first due to having less money and fewer people at their disposal, leaving Providence to slowly bleed to death, so to speak.
In hindsight, this makes it kind of ironic that both organizations were wiped out by basically just two people, as 47 is the one who destroyed ICA using their own tactics, and Diana is the one who destroyed Providence using their own tactics. There was a bit of overlap, with lots of dead Providence members and the manipulation of ICA’s data, but you get the idea.
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Yeah but the ICA have been duped into working for the bad guys in every single game they have ever appeared in except Absolution which has such a bizarre and laughable interpretation of the ICA that it jars with the rest of the canon.
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That’s by design; they are not supposed to care about the motivations of their clients, just the money, and that none of their allies like the UN are targeted. They only start to become concerned that they are being used to achieve long-term agendas or start wars when it starts to look fishy that that’s the objective, so it’s more on the bad guys for getting sloppy and taking advantage of the ICA’s services than any incompetence on ICA’s part. You’ll notice that once they recognize that they’re being taken advantage of, the end up finding or getting closely on the trail of the offending party almost immediately.
In any event, it’s not in every single game, it’s only in the first two and the WoA trilogy. Contracts doesn’t count in the retelling of Ort-Meyer’s antics, and in the current timeline of Contracts and all of Blood Money, they’re in direct opposition to the Franchise, not being manipulated by them. And technically, in H2 and H3, their eyes are wide open to why Providence is using them, and they make an exception for it because they caught Providence doing it almost immediately, and they basically apologized for it and decided to go through the proper channels from that point, and ICA was more offended at how the Shadow Client played them, and they still caught onto him after only four missions. For the two remaining games, getting their own payback on him, settling down the global chaos he was causing, and the massive amounts of money they were getting paid led them to choose to be Providence’s tool voluntarily. So it’s really only three games.
47: “Now, the reformed Agency has finally tracked her down…”
Not only did they reorganize to recover from the damage Diana did, but all aspects of ICA activity we see in that game are only affiliated with Travis’s division, which he’s running like a little dictator and it’s confirmed in-game he’s keeping secret from his superiors and they’re starting to get pissed at him for it, so it’s canonically not an accurate portrayal of the rest of the Agency.
Oh God you projectile word-vomited while I was away.
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C’mon, dude, I’ve been here nearly a year; you don’t know that commenting on any view I hold is like opening the floodgates of a dam by now? And that debating me is like quicksand: you just keep sinking the more you struggle?
I know what you are like but I thought that you would have had a much shorter reply. I didn’t even say that much at all yet your reply is two times the length of my own comment.
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