I still think it’s underappreciated mostly because of the shooting, slow and repetitive driving and the difficulty. I wouldn’t even dare recommending it to someone that has only played games from the past ~15 years unless I know the person can appreciate a game for what it is and is quick to adjust to a game’s mechanics 
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I got the top grade in the class when I did a report on it in college. Shit you not. Trust me, on that subject, I know what I’m talking about.
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As I’ve been replaying FFXII, I’ve started to realize that it’s one of my favorites in the series. The worldbuilding is extraordinary.
And X-2 is a lot of fun.
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This! People were complaining that FFX lacks of shops, airships, open worlds. FFXII has all that, still, FFX is much more popular 
I love FFX, don’t get me wrong. But I always recommend people to give FFXII a chance, it’s an amazing game with loveable characters, an interesting story and a wonderful world.
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aight then. off the top of my head:
superhot caused a stir when it released but not much since then. i adore it and could (have) literally play it for hours on end.
fallen london/sunless sea/sunless skies is one of my favourite fictional universes. great writing and world building. it is funny, satirical and bleak.
gta4 is largely maligned but still my favourite in the series. just the right balance of grit and c-c-crazy.
the specialist mod for half life. lost years of my life to its multiplayer goodness.
i love disco elysium, planescape torment, hotline miami, max payne (particularly 2 and 3’s multiplayer), stellaris, dark souls, sekiro, bloodborne, sifu, rainbow six: seige, mgs 1, 2, 3, and 5, fallout: new vegas; splinter cell chaos theory, all the dishonoreds, prey, and red dead redemption 1 and 2… but they’re all well liked.
oh, and a special hmf only case, all the hitman games that aren’t absolution, but especially contracts and blood money. the latter had the best level design in the series until woa. don’t @ me.
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Superhot always interested me. It’s really just a cool gameplay mechanic built into a combat sim, but it had never been done before so I can see why it got such attention.
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it’s a very clever mechanic. i love how it completely deconstructs first person twitch combat into a series of thoughtful tactical decisions. the first one is kind of a puzzle game.
the cyber-psychological, 4th wall breaking narrative is way better than it has any right to be. it can get really creepy.
however, i mainly enjoy it for a lot of the reasons i like replaying max payne and sifu: you can effectively choreograph your own action sequences.
this is hilarious:
its only real issue is the lack of depth. things like grapples/human shields, ducking, sliding or even wall-running would really open up the moment-to-moment tactical options. mcd is great, but i really want a full fledged sequel that opens things up further.
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It’s $9.99 on PS store right now. I have been playing it for 2 hours now. You were dead on about the story. Im strangely intrigued by what so far is nothing but a simple text adventure 
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ah, awesome!
have you found the log mini-game?
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I rather liked The Order 1886. It had an interesting story, gorgeous graphics even on the PS4, and the combat could be fun. I will admit that the story could have been fleshed out a bit better, but it was a really cool concept to me and I don’t think it deserved the hate that it got.
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No! I just finished the main story. Now I can play endless mode and a bunch of challenges.
Embarrassingly, my first endless attempt ended after just 1 red guy down
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My choice on this would be Just Cause 1. I would’ve probably disliked it if I played it now but, It gave me a fun time as a kid (5yo) and the love for it remained still.
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Anybody has calculated how much XP one profile level costs in HITMAN 3?
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Ah, ok, I see. I think it´s appreciated enough by the people who played it around the time it came out, but I do agree that its mechanics must be quite the slap in the face to anyone who hasn´t played a game from that period. At least with the remake they´ve run out of excuses not to play it 
All things I love about it (amongst other stuff) I like the shooting in all the LS3D games - Mafia, HaD2 and Chameleon - it´s not slick and smooth like in later games, but it has this nice weight to it that makes it feel challenging and satisfying. None of that “slide into cover and pop-out shooting” stuff
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i’d say joker fits your mind category too. a lot of batman ink (geddit?!) is spent on batman trying to figure out the ‘logic’ of joker’s plans. it’s cold hard logic vs the free association of his (hyper) insanity.
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Why is the Joker so appealing for cringey Edgelords? And why are so many people so in love with Heath Ledger as the Joker? I always found him quite boring in Dark Knight. Jack Nicholson was a great Joker and Michael Keaton is my favorite Batman 
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Joker is a person that thinks society is a joke and that everything is fundamentally meaningless which also happens to be what a lot of stupid teenagers (or people who are intellectually and emotionally the same as one) think when they are that age.
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A subjective point of view. Objectively, no one has been able to present a compelling argument for life to have any sort of point or meaning, without the existence of a deity being involved, beyond reproduction of life for its own sake in and of itself. The Joker is fundamentally different from real people who make that realization, because he actually thinks that’s hilarious, while most find that depressing or frustrating. Most Joker fans, like myself, love the character not because of his philosophical beliefs, but because he can make them seem funny in spite of his acts of violence.
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Well no shit, there is a whole purview of human knowledge that exists because of this notion.
The only way that notion is objective is in its infinite and juvenile stupidity. If you feel like life is devoid of a true objective meaning then you go out an make your own. Life exists for no reason but no human being here should be unable to find meaning and contentment in it.
That is literally what every single person who has ever said life has no meaning has ever said even the dude who invented the notion that life has no meaning said that people who fail to resolve the notion or a meaningless life or worse people who actively enjoy the inherent meaningless of life to be a lower philosophical class of person.
This is nothing new neither in reality or even in fiction. Even within the Joker’s own prime medium of comics he isn’t really the first person to have thought that. The Comedian did in the other famous DC comic that the edgy kids all loved but didn’t understand at all.
First of all that doesn’t even counter what I even said, all you said was that you agreed with The Joker’s philosophy with the added notion that you like how the Joker expresses it. Which simply means that you do, indeed, admire the Joker’s philosophy because of how he expresses it.
This has really done nothing but prove what I have said right. That edge lords like the Joker because he is an expression of their beliefs that they enjoy.
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You known what, scratch everything I said. It’s getting my argumentative side up and the last time I did that on a subject like this, it took me to a dark place. That was two years ago and I’m not ready to face that kind of argument again. Let’s just say we’re both kind of “nuh-uh” on this subject and leave it at that.
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