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Well, before you asked for a why/why not explanation. But, if just a list is what you want:

We Wish You a Merry Christmas
Jingle Bells
Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer
Carol of the bells
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Baby
I saw mommy kissing Santa Claus
Grandma got run over by a reindeer
The pretty little dolly

There’s others but I don’t know what they’re called, but that’s a sample.

I feel it in my fingers.

And do a movie that has absolutely no relation to, mention of, or even a hint of Christmas, a movie that takes place in a part of the world where Christmas is is not even celebrated, but the events of the movie take place on December 25th, by the sole criterion, you’d consider that a Christmas movie?

Nope. Set A Christmas Carol in Baghdad with an entirely Muslim cast and it wouldn’t be a Christmas Story. It’s not the Date that’s important - it’s the holiday.

On a side note, i never realized that Carol of the Bells even had lyrics! I always thought it was just the musical part played on bells.

This, this was my entire point. Put Last Christmas or Die Hard and any other examples you want to use down at another time, or in another place, or with an explicitly non-Christian cast, and they are not Christmas stories, yet the stories themselves remain the same, with the same points to make. That means they aren’t Christmas stories in the first place, despite being set during Christmas.

The simple fact that they take place at Christmas makes them Christmas songs and movies. Put them at any other time of year or place and they cease to be Christmas songs/movies, yes, but they aren’t set at another time or place. The argument that they could be set some other time or place is immaterial. They are set at Christmas in a place that has that holiday.

I turned my back for an hour and you people are still going at it. It isn’t even a good song.

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What I asked for was why couldn’t the reasoning you gave to ‘Last Christmas’ not being a Christmas song not be applied to any of the songs you listed.

Look at me. I’m Heisenberg.

We Wish You a Merry Christmas: They could wish them a Merry Christmas any of the other 364 days of the year. Bam! Deboonked!

I could go on but I actually have things to do that require me being away from the keyboard.

Well, to be fair, I was at work for the first 53 responses…

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I know but there is no excuse for all the other idiots. We got the lyrical analysis, the instrumentation, the AI processing, George Michael’s own admission and the damn album cover.

Wrong: that song is actually about Christmas. Play it any time of year, it’s still a Christmas song, because of what it’s about. Last Christmas is the exact opposite.

All of which I’ve explained how they still don’t make it a Christmas song.

Exactly why I brought it up: this song plays over and over on the radio at my work at this time every year and I’m tired of hearing it, and I shouldn’t have to hear it played so much because it’s not even a Christmas song.

Not going to argue with that, it just became my favourite Xmas movie.

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I think I’m gonna go slam my head in a car door for a while.

This conversation reminds me of Stop the Cavalry by Jona Lewie. An anti-war tune that when written was never really meant to be a Christmas song, but with Christmas being mentioned in the lyrics and the very big band brassy tone of the song, it suits being a Christmas song, which you’ll hear on all the Christmas playlists, at least in the UK.

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Here’s another vid that H might be able to see.

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no, it’s not, you silly goose. play last christmas at any other time of year, i guarantee you, people will start complaining that it is too early to be getting ready for christmas.

the problem here is that you’re working off a faulty initial premise.

you decided - by using the power of common sense - what constitutes a christmas song. your definition doesn’t seem to mesh with what everyone else thinks. rather than interrogate your own initial premise, you’ve just gone full skinner meme.

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Yeah, because the “everyone else thinks something means a particular thing and so that must mean it’s true, and the few who see things a different way must be wrong” has always been an accurate and reliable means of determining what you should believe about something. :roll_eyes:

C’mon man, nobody else has given me a winning argument for why I’m wrong either, but they at least had arguments with teeth.

No, but when you argue with “common sense”, and it turns out to be actually “uncommon sense”, it has not much weight alone in your argumentation. :slight_smile:

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Forget it. At this point I’m just repeating myself, shouting into a stubborn wind. Unless someone has a different, compelling argument, I think we’ve gotten all we’re gonna get out of this debate.