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you may have missed my point.

there’s nothing to chew on here, chief.

Might want to tell everyone who responded to my original post on this subject then, because there’s been a lot of chewing since then.

spitting back your lukewarm take ain’t chewing, chum. :smile:

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Vomiting up half-digested refuse ain’t spitting anything back.

Christmas song?

By the way, this was a ridiculous read, guys.

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All I want for Christmas is my two front teeth is a Christmas song

Same goes for The Night Santa Went Crazy.

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It is, in fact, the best Christmas song!

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Reading through this was delightful for sure…

Still:

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Yay! Not celebrating Christmas is the best!!! :purple_heart:

It wasn’t much of a choice for me though.

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@Heisenberg hey heisie, would you consider home alone a christmas movie or a movie that just happens to take place around christmas?

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Christmas movie. The only reason why the family left in the first place was specifically for a Christmas vacation, it’s the reason the Wet Bandits not only make their move on Kevin’s home but also make their actions seem doubly heinous because of the season, and one of the lessons Kevin learns is that having the Christmas season without family, regardless of how much they drive you crazy, causes at lot of its meaning to go away. The whole reason Kevin got left behind was because there were so many people gathered for the trip and they miscounted, and the only reason why they were all gathered like that was because it was Christmas, making it unlikely at best that a similar situation to what happened in the movie would happen if Kevin’s parents had decided to go to Paris at another time of year, where it likely would have been just the immediate family.

Oddly, the first sequel is even more of a Christmas movie, because Kevin’s motivation for taking on the Wet Bandits again isn’t for himself, but because they were going to steal the charity donation that the toy store was going to make to the children’s hospital, which they do every year off of the money they make from people’s Christmas shopping, and those very same Christmas earnings are the whole reason why the Bandits choose to rob the toy store in the first place. So not only does that part of the movie not even happen if it weren’t Christmas, but Kevin’s choice of sacrificing his safety to stop the Bandits’ plan fits into the themes of the holiday of doing things for others.

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You should enjoy all the non-christmas movies on this list.

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Star Trek Generations, Die Hard 2 and Babe are not Christmas movies. A decent case could be made either way for Batman Returns. Haven’t seen any of the rest, so no opinion.

You can see why Batman Returns is a Christmas movie but you can’t rationalise how Last Christmas can be a Christmas song?

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Some of the context of Batman Returns changes if it’s not taking place at Christmas; maybe enough to affect its status as a Christmas movie, maybe not. As I’ve said thirty six or so times already, what is happening in Last Christmas doesn’t change if it happens at any other time of year.

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The title changes…
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Yes, the title changes; the events the song is describing don’t, only when they take place.

So would the time or event this situation takes place - should that be applied to the song title? Like if it were “Last St. Patrick’s Day”?

Isn’t it up to the artist what time/event the setting is for the situation? Because you seem to know better than the artist. IMO, that’s kinda messed up.

Yes, precisely. Swap out Christmas with St. Patrick’s Day in this song, the title, the lyrics, everything. What else changes about the song? The events, the feelings, the decision the singer is making for the current year, the whole thing the song is about, what changes if Christmas is taken out and replaced with any other holiday, or even just a plain day with no special meaning otherwise? Nothing. Nothing about the song changes with or without Christmas, other than when it takes place and the use of that word.

I’ve spoken on this at length in numerous other topics and really don’t want to spin this current debate off into one on this subject too, but the short answer is, no. The artist/creator of a work is not always the end-all/be-all of their work in 100% of scenarios. I’ve pointed out an example in this thread already a few days ago with the origin of the song Jingle Bells.

You have yet to show how I’m objectively wrong. Objectively isn’t bankruptcy; you can’t just declare it. And for the record, I did stop, two days ago. I’m not the one who keeps bringing up different questions on this subject.

You’re late to the party by more than an hour on that one.