So let’s say you’re the “Artist” of this crazy notion that ‘Last Christmas’ isn’t a Christmas song. I’d call this “debate” finished because nothing you’ve said is a matter-of-fact, only opinion. And that opinion is objectively wrong on multiple facets. Just live with it, dude. All truth points to this being a certified Christmas song and has you in an inescapable corner. Digging downward to escape reality doesn’t change reality.
You did read the title of the thread, yes?
How? Give me an argument that I haven’t already shown to be flawed. I’m actually looking for something convincing.
Which truths? Every argument that has been thrown my way in this subject I’ve explained how it is not actually so, and all anyone has done is repeat those arguments, causing me to simply repeat what I said to refute them.
Correct. However, how will you even know what reality is when it’s dictated by your perception? If that perception is flawed, what you think of as reality is not necessarily the case. So how do you know that your perception is the correct one?
There are
- Song has “Christmas” in the title
- The Artist of the song verified it was about/for Christmas (and if that doesn’t slam this case shut)
- There are both lyrical and instrumental nods to Christmas in the song
That makes at least 4 cases in favor. Whereas your single case that the situation can happen at any time means it isn’t about Christmas. At this point, it’s only your choice to ignore/deny established truths.
A perfect example of projection.
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Clint Eastwood by the Gorillaz has Clint Eastwood in the title, must be a song about a Hollywood actor.
Artist of Jingle Bells confirmed was written as. Thanksgiving and/or drinking song. Turned out to be a Christmas song. He was wrong.
The only lyrical nod to Christmas that can be solely said to be about Christmas is that fact that he keeps saying it happened last Christmas. There’s nothing else about it that can’t be plunked down into any other time of year without changing any other lyric. As for instrumental, to use the Gorillaz’s Clint Eastwood example again, there’s instrumental nods throughout the song that are found in old western movies, guess that means the song is about cowboys, then?
All of which I’ve just shown are not inherently and automatically proof that a song is about what you think it’s about. It’s got Christmas in the title? Gee, no song has ever had a title that had nothing to do with what is actually being sung about within it. The artist says so? Gee, no artist has ever given an explanation to people about their work that they don’t really care about and just want people to accept what they say so they stop asking them, and they’ve also never made something that they intended to be about one thing but it’s content made it actually about something else without them meaning to. Lyrics and instrumentals? Always the giveaway on what a song is really about, right?
Now, I’m aware that making the argument that some songs don’t always mean what the above cases say they mean, does not necessarily means that this song therefore doesn’t qualify. My point here is that these arguments being used as proof that it definitely is a Christmas song are not the automatic wins you think they are. The logic behind them is not always the case, and therefore is flawed, and I’ve just provided examples of how.
That’s the biggest point to be made. The song is not about Christmas, it’s about romantic heartache, in which Christmas is just the backdrop.
I can say the same of you. You are ignoring the established truth, which nobody has even denied, that the song isn’t about Christmas. Add in the fact that the only way Christmas plays any role in the song is that that is when it is taking place and that’s where it’s involvement ends, and that’s where my argument cements itself. The established truths you’ve mentioned, I’m not ignoring or denying them; I’m telling you that they don’t necessarily carry the weight you think they do.
You want to say it’s a Christmas song just because it mentions it, just because it gets played at Christmas, fine. @schatenjager was actually onto something with that argument. Under those conditions, sure, it’s a Christmas song. Me, I’ll interpret what kind of song it’s supposed to be based on what the song is actually about and what it’s telling me. And under those conditions, it is not a Christmas song.
I think this is his hobby. Scary innit?
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Dude, like I said, I tried to end this track two days ago. It was fun the first day but now it’s just a chore, we’re not saying anything new.
I’m coming in real hot here, I don’t get the immense love for Betty White. She seemed like a very nice lady, my feelings kind of end there.
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Because she was funny, wholesome, and as far as we know, didn’t have any problematic scandals in the closet.
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That’s pretty much it. She was around for a long time and was one of the last of the older generation of actresses who sat on Johnny Carson’s couch, knew Merv Griffin, worked with Estelle Getty and Bea Arthur, etc. In all that she never really had any major scandals, salacious divorces, wild affairs, etc. She was just known as a nice actress without a lot of baggage. That was/is rare enough in Hollywood today that it was remarkable enough to make her famous for basically not being a horrible human being.
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And she’s the only person I’ve ever known who could say something raunchy and disrespectful, in her sweet old lady tone, and have it only make her seem funnier and not ruin her sweet old lady image at all. Her immortal line in Lake Placid shall never be topped.
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Alright, I guess I just don’t understand the deity-level admiration that people seem to have for some nice old lady. I don’t think she’s ever really crossed my mind outside of seeing other people reference her, but everyone loves her. idk, I’m very neutral on Betty. She’s fine, I’m sure she was a great friend and family member to many people.
You kind of had to follow along with her to really get it. No shame in it.
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Yeah, I guess. My only real exposure to her has been through reference material, maybe it’d be different if I’d watched The Golden Girls more or something.
You’re probably right. Betty was in her early 50s when I was born so she was known to me my entire life, and was active for a lot of it. While a lot of younger people may remember her from reruns of the Golden Girls or just the caricature she sort of turned into by the end of her life, I can remember her on The Carol Burnett Show, Mama’s Family, The Love Boat, Pyramid, and a few others. If you look at the sheer volume of TV shows she was on over from the 50s through the 2010s it’s incredible just how prolific she was.
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Late reply, sorry: The buns we use by default are thicker in texture and not so wide, so slicing them will make things harder. It’s more convenient and efficient to go Vlad the Impaler on them.
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Brexit. Colonialism. Margaret Thatcher. Yeah, the UK has always had the best ideas and opinions on things. 
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Sometimes I feel you’re contrarian just for the sake of it.
America elected Trump (granted, via decades of electoral college and gerrymandering fuckery), but we ALSO made Die Hard. So like, false equivalency much?
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My point being, just because the UK is listing that song as a Christmas song, the caveat is that the UK is historically and notoriously known for holding some very flawed opinions and making very bad decisions. So take this latest one with a grain of salt, and a dose of skepticism.